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  • #91
    Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    That may very well be the way things were done in the past, but I'll give Capers the benefit of the doubt in terms of adjusting things based on circumstance. Whether that means getting away from the "sides" thing or giving Safety help at times or whatever, I don't think he's just gonna sit back and let a Corner get beat by speed or whatever. Besides, a slower Corner like Gunter can do some adjusting himself using angles, etc. to deal with a speed guy. There were only a very few who beat him bad last year, so some of those he handled must have had pretty fair speed.
    You can't double everywhere. Someone needs to win one on one or his pressure packages don't work.

    Someone would have to take the #1 and matchup from Gunter. And my bet is that its House at the start of the season.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by pbmax View Post
      You can't double everywhere. Someone needs to win one on one or his pressure packages don't work.

      Someone would have to take the #1 and matchup from Gunter. And my bet is that its House at the start of the season.
      you don't have to double up everywhere. The point is if Gunter is on the #1 you give him help. If King becomes shutdown he doesn't need help. Or you change the scheme to put King on the #1. Of course this entire debate is predicated on someone emerging as a shutdown corner....a scenario that will make me very happy.
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      • #93
        I just don't see any of the current bunch as an outside shut-down corner.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Fritz View Post
          I just don't see any of the current bunch as an outside shut-down corner.
          King has the physical attributes. Time will tell if he utilizes them.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
            you don't have to double up everywhere. The point is if Gunter is on the #1 you give him help. If King becomes shutdown he doesn't need help. Or you change the scheme to put King on the #1. Of course this entire debate is predicated on someone emerging as a shutdown corner....a scenario that will make me very happy.
            If the #2 has good speed Gunter will struggle. Also if the Packers are forced to double, the offense will know that and take advantage of holes opened elsewhere. We have countless posts here bitching about Capers defense failing, but so often the root cause is that the defense has to make up for a player that has readily exposed limitations. The defense doesn't need all-pro's at every position to work, but if you have to trot out a guy who will almost always lose a one-on-one match-up, it will take multiple all-pro types to make up for it (e.g. Mathews, Collins and Woodson were enough to make up for having poor ILB's).

            I don't hate Gunter, he doesn't screw up mentally and gets the most out of his physical abilities. That said, if he is a starter, the Packers are in trouble. Especially since there is now plenty of tape on him getting torched worse than California last year.
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            • #96
              AS we all know Capers' defense is difficult to pick up. I'm curious about King's football smarts and his ability to learn the defense. I can see him playing some from the get-go but only in certain packages.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by MadScientist View Post
                If the #2 has good speed Gunter will struggle. Also if the Packers are forced to double, the offense will know that and take advantage of holes opened elsewhere. We have countless posts here bitching about Capers defense failing, but so often the root cause is that the defense has to make up for a player that has readily exposed limitations. The defense doesn't need all-pro's at every position to work, but if you have to trot out a guy who will almost always lose a one-on-one match-up, it will take multiple all-pro types to make up for it (e.g. Mathews, Collins and Woodson were enough to make up for having poor ILB's).

                I don't hate Gunter, he doesn't screw up mentally and gets the most out of his physical abilities. That said, if he is a starter, the Packers are in trouble. Especially since there is now plenty of tape on him getting torched worse than California last year.
                Agreed. He's not going to get any faster. If we're stuck with gunter starting its a bad sign
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                • #98
                  CMIII and Woodson had Dez Bishop in 2010 and he was an above-average level player.

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