"DRAFT UNLIKELY TO PROVIDE HELP THE PACKERS NEED"........GUESS THE WRITER ??

[gbgary]

House has already stepped into the gaping hole and will make the backend better. Ted will draft someone because 2016 scared him about all 3 of the young guys and talented depth is a must.

house will fight it out with the others for one starting spot. we need to draft a real starter at the other cb spot.

[pbmax]

house takes hyde's place. we need a real starter at cb.

House is outside at one CB spot. Gunter or Randall will be at the other currently. Rollins/Randall will be in the slot.

Plus the even younger guys in the mix: Dorleant, Goodson, Hawkins, Waters and draft pick.

[gbgary]

i was editing as you were posting. sorry.

[wist43]

Stupid article. Packers aren't a winner in the 1st month of the offseason? No shit. Are the Packers EVER a winner in the 1st month of the offseason? Yet almost every year they're among the league's elite. The Packers don't sign a free agent for every free agent lost. They don't expect several rookies to come in and replace veterans. They develop players. That's what they do. That's why they can release an aging Josh Sitton and still have a good offensive line. History would suggest they'll also be able to replace Lang. I don't know by who. Training camp will determine that. They haven't adequately replaced Sam Shields and Eddie Lacy? When they made their playoff run last year, they didn't HAVE Sam Shields and Eddie Lacy. They don't need to replace them. They were already gone.

I don't have a crystal ball. I don't know who exactly who will step up. I would say though that that Ty Montgomery, Randall, Rollins, Clark, Fackrell, Kyle Murphy and Trevor Davis are good candidates. And they might even get contributions from a rookie or 2. History is on the Packers side, no matter what the writer of this article thinks.

None of those guys is an impact player... or even potentially an impact player - that's the problem.

I like Monty as a roll player, but all the rest of those guys are JAGS.

Rodgers carries the whole team... tough to win championships with just one legit star player. We're good enough offensively with Rodgers and the supporting cast, but the defense has no identity, and a sub-par coordinator. Ted, and the Packers as an organization, simply don't get "it" when it comes to defense. Unfortunately, that isn't going to change for the foreseeable future.

[Joemailman]

as PB pointed out in another thread somewhere on here, we had average health last year

and probably the year before that and the year before that. its time to stop using the injury excuse every year, it happens to everyone every year. sometimes you just have to cover your ass better then "undrafted rookie #1-10" for depth

Last year was an odd year. Although the total number of injuries wasn't severe, The Packers were hit at certain positions very hard. They played several games minus their top 3 CB's (Shields, Randall, Rollins). Clay got moved inside when their 2 starting ILB's were hurt at the same time. Montgomery became the starting RB because Lacy, Starks and Don Jackson were all hurt at the same time. No team has the depth to deal with those types of situations. I think it was bad luck that won't likely be repeated. If they can keep the total injuries at a reasonable level, I think they'll fare better in 2017.

[pbmax]

Last year was an odd year. Although the total number of injuries wasn't severe, The Packers were hit at certain positions very hard. They played several games minus their top 3 CB's (Shields, Randall, Rollins). Clay got moved inside when their 2 starting ILB's were hurt at the same time. Montgomery became the starting RB because Lacy, Starks and Don Jackson were all hurt at the same time. No team has the depth to deal with those types of situations. I think it was bad luck that won't likely be repeated. If they can keep the total injuries at a reasonable level, I think they'll fare better in 2017.

The Packers team as a whole was injured at an average rate. But the defense bore the brunt of it, especially the DBs and OLBs.

[bobblehead]

But House has already stepped into the gaping hole and will make the backend better. Ted will draft someone because 2016 scared him about all 3 of the young guys and talented depth is a must.
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Pb, I respect your opinion on all things football, but I gotta ask. What is it about House that gives you any confidence at all? I see a guy who played one good game because the refs decided holding a WR was a good idea because it would benefit the 49ers D more than the Packers D. Other than that game I have not very fond memories of House. Add to that he was benched by....THE JAGUARS!

[Joemailman]

Pb, I respect your opinion on all things football, but I gotta ask. What is it about House that gives you any confidence at all? I see a guy who played one good game because the refs decided holding a WR was a good idea because it would benefit the 49ers D more than the Packers D. Other than that game I have not very fond memories of House. Add to that he was benched by....THE JAGUARS!

Don't look too much into the fact that House was benched by the Jags. First of all, it's not like they got better after he was benched. Second, maybe consider the possibility that the Jags are the Jags because they make bad personnel decisions. Paying House 6 mil per was one. Maybe benching him was another.

I remember House a little more favorably than you do. He had some good moments against big physical receivers. He's not the savior of the secondary, but he can play a positive role.

[Pugger]

We've gone 11 posts on this page, not to mention that article, many of them discussing edge rushers, and not one mention of Clay Matthews. He still is the best we've got when healthy, better than Perry, better than the two we lost, better than the two young replacements. I say that to point out that we don't really have a gaping hole at edge rusher. Of course it also demonstrates the fact that it's been a long time since we picked up a real difference maker - at all on defense, at all on the team.

When healthy, yes, CM3 is our best edge rusher. That is the rub, tho. Clay has had issues staying healthy the past couple of seasons. I fully expect Ted to draft an EDGE guy because you can't have enough of those.

[Pugger]

as PB pointed out in another thread somewhere on here, we had average health last year

and probably the year before that and the year before that. its time to stop using the injury excuse every year, it happens to everyone every year. sometimes you just have to cover your ass better then "undrafted rookie #1-10" for depth

Numbers wise we had average health last year. However, when a position gets hammered like CB did last year that will really screw your pass defense when you can't rush the passer and teams throw against you at will.

[Pugger]

Don't look too much into the fact that House was benched by the Jags. First of all, it's not like they got better after he was benched. Second, maybe consider the possibility that the Jags are the Jags because they make bad personnel decisions. Paying House 6 mil per was one. Maybe benching him was another.

I remember House a little more favorably than you do. He had some good moments against big physical receivers. He's not the savior of the secondary, but he can play a positive role.

Didn't the Jags change their defensive scheme?

[pbmax]

Pb, I respect your opinion on all things football, but I gotta ask. What is it about House that gives you any confidence at all? I see a guy who played one good game because the refs decided holding a WR was a good idea because it would benefit the 49ers D more than the Packers D. Other than that game I have not very fond memories of House. Add to that he was benched by....THE JAGUARS!

He is serviceable. If he was suddenly present on the Packers roster at the end of last year he is starting opposite Gunter. So consider him tire fire insurance at one level.

Second as Pugger and Joe have said, he was benched for looking at the QB and getting beat behind him in a zone. I would rather have my CBs NOT do that, but he will get to play man to man again with the Packers.

He plays outside CB, where the Packers have a true gaping hole.

I don't consider him a long term solution. Just a bridge. My view of how he will perform varies between good enough and kinda poor. The reason I can't decide my faded memory of the Atlanta night game at Lambeau a couple of years ago. Either he or Shields started versus Julio and held him in check for more than a half. Then they got hurt and the backup came in. If the backup was House, he got roasted then (big Atlanta comeback fell short) and will likely be roasted against top competition again. If House got hurt and was the one who helped bottle Jones up, he might still have some upside.

[Zool]

I fully expect Ted to draft an EDGE guy because you can't have enough of those.

Seriously, never ever ever can you have too many pass rushers now. If you can hit the QB on 35-40% of his dropbacks, you're going to win a lot of football games.

[Joemailman]

He is serviceable. If he was suddenly present on the Packers roster at the end of last year he is starting opposite Gunter. So consider him tire fire insurance at one level.

Second as Pugger and Joe have said, he was benched for looking at the QB and getting beat behind him in a zone. I would rather have my CBs NOT do that, but he will get to play man to man again with the Packers.

He plays outside CB, where the Packers have a true gaping hole.

I don't consider him a long term solution. Just a bridge. My view of how he will perform varies between good enough and kinda poor. The reason I can't decide my faded memory of the Atlanta night game at Lambeau a couple of years ago. Either he or Shields started versus Julio and held him in check for more than a half. Then they got hurt and the backup came in. If the backup was House, he got roasted then (big Atlanta comeback fell short) and will likely be roasted against top competition again. If House got hurt and was the one who helped bottle Jones up, he might still have some upside.

House was the guy who came in and had some success against Jones.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...e-f690f30a793b

Practically every member of the Packers secondary took a turn against Jones, with little to no success. Cornerback Sam Shields didn’t practice all week due to his recovery from a concussion, and he wasn’t sharp. He eventually gave way in the fourth quarter to House, who held his own against Jones better than any of his teammates. House broke up one deep ball to Jones and then nearly intercepted a pass to him in the end zone.

I remember reading the next day that House went to the coaching staff and begged them to put him on Jones.

[Fritz]

Since this draft has plenty of corners, I would like to see Ted go after some pass rush - an OLB. Is JJ Watt a guy with superstar potential? I don't know much about the college kids.

He can try his luck again at corner in round two, I would say. Then go after a running back in round three to team with Montgomery. Then get a guard.