"DRAFT UNLIKELY TO PROVIDE HELP THE PACKERS NEED"........GUESS THE WRITER ??

[pbmax]

House was the guy who came in and had some success against Jones.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-even...e-f690f30a793b



I remember reading the next day that House went to the coaching staff and begged them to put him on Jones.

Cool. I just remember the comeback and assumed it was Jones led. I obviously had the details wrong but House having some success was the other takeaway I remembered.

[Fritz]

You know, somebody on another thread had a great idea, complete with reasoning:

Ted drafts wide receivers like nobody's business. He hardly ever misses.

Ted can't draft defensive linemen to save his ass, except for Mike Daniels, the one diamond in a pile of what has been otherwise mostly poo.

Ted can find UDFA corners, but can't seem to draft them well higher up in the draft.

THEREFORE

Draft nothing but wide recievers early, then get your guard and running back and whatnot later.

Then trade Cobb (if you can) and some surplus wide recievers (does it matter which ones? Maybe. But trade some) to other teams, for their OLB's, an ILB, maybe a corner and a defensive lineman.

Problem solved.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Since this draft has plenty of corners, I would like to see Ted go after some pass rush - an OLB. Is JJ Watt a guy with superstar potential? I don't know much about the college kids.

He can try his luck again at corner in round two, I would say. Then go after a running back in round three to team with Montgomery. Then get a guard.

I've seen some mock draft boards that have Watt falling to the Packers in Round 2, which would allow TT to draft a starter-quality CB in Round 1.

One way or the other TT will have the opportunity to pick a pass rusher and a CB in Rounds 1 & 2. It all depends on who in particular the Packer powers that be like most or consider the best fit for them. How everything will shake out on draft day is unpredictable no matter what the "experts" say.

[Fritz]

How true that is. And then we'll act like we know how they're all going to pan out.

It's like getting married. You think you know what you're doing and who you're getting, but you really don't know shit.

[Bretsky]

Since this draft has plenty of corners, I would like to see Ted go after some pass rush - an OLB. Is JJ Watt a guy with superstar potential? I don't know much about the college kids.

He can try his luck again at corner in round two, I would say. Then go after a running back in round three to team with Montgomery. Then get a guard.

Ted Hates Badgers
With that being said TJ is going to be a very solid pro LB and is worthy of our #1 pick.

[Fritz]

Bretsky, I'm going to whine a little bit here, then agree with something else you've said before.

So, the whining: I am tired of the Packers having "very solid pro" kind of guys, like Micah Hyde (I am actually glad he's gone) or Mike Neal or Letroy Guion or Jake Ryan or fill-in-the-blank. Even Clay Matthews is slumping into a "very solid pro." Would anyone call him a great player any more?

This team needs a star, needs a difference-maker. Can JJ Watt be that guy, do you think?

Okay, moving on - you've said before that TT can't seem to transform his defenses into top-ten powerhouses that can win you a SB. And there was a good article in the JSO on just that - how TT has used lots of draft resources (and he's even signed guys here and there, like Peppers) but he misses and misses and misses on them. Don't get me wrong, some of them can play - but they tend to be either just-okay guys or maybe that "solid pro" who is above average. But man, we all know that a defense needs playmakers, and Ted cannot seem to find those guys very well. Sure, it's hard for anyone to do, but some teams seem to build better defenses than Ted does without investing so many high-round draft picks, or if they do, those picks pay off.

I'm tired of watching our defenses get torn up, other teams going up and down the field freely. The stout defensive performances (the Seattle NFC championship game) are the exceptions, and they are few and far between. There are many, many more memories of teams abusing a helpless Green Bay defense - the Falcons and Cowboys this season, back to Colin Kaepernick and company doing anything they wanted. Good God, the Packer defense just can never seem to get off the field, and I am sick of that.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Fritz, you want a playmaker? A difference-maker? You want TT to draft this guy:

Adoree' Jackson http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profil...son?id=2558065

To get him you'd probably have to trade up and/or spend your first round pick on him. And he'd plug a real need in our secondary... ...Maybe. Nothing is a sure bet.

There isn't one guy in the draft whose scouting profile is all strengths and no weaknesses.

Adoree' Jackson is also only 5'10" which would violate another TT rule for CB draftees. Plus, many scouts consider him a boom-bust guy. On the other hand, many more consider him another Devin Hester, but a Devin Hester who can play CB.

Did I mention he can also play on offense?

If you're TT, do you pull the trigger on him?

[Fritz]

I want Troy Vincent, not Terrell Buckley.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I want Troy Vincent, not Terrell Buckley.

But Troy Vincent was just a "solid pro" not a super star. (I'm just playing devil's advocate, you understand. )

[pbmax]

How many difference makers does a team get a decade when you are good? Who was the last Patriots Hall of Famer on defense? Vince Wilfork?

Nick Collins was that pick and if Ted gets one more during his tenure (and it might have been Matthews) he's batting better than average. Woodson was the defensive POY once wasn't he?

[Fritz]

Didn't the Pats draft Jamie Collins about 20 picks after Ted picked up Datone Jones?

Look, Ted saw something others didn't see with that kid from USC back in the day, and he traded up to get him. That guy was, before the injuries and age hit, a difference-maker. I think the Packers need two big difference makers in this draft, on defense, to make this a go-to-the-Superbowl year.

[gbgary]

if they do get that kit adoree jackson they sure as hell better not use him as a kr/pr...except once in a while if a spark is needed. don't want a starting cb getting hurt returning a kick/punt.

[Bretsky]

Didn't the Pats draft Jamie Collins about 20 picks after Ted picked up Datone Jones?

Look, Ted saw something others didn't see with that kid from USC back in the day, and he traded up to get him. That guy was, before the injuries and age hit, a difference-maker. I think the Packers need two big difference makers in this draft, on defense, to make this a go-to-the-Superbowl year.

BOOM

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, I'm going to whine a little bit here, then agree with something else you've said before.

So, the whining: I am tired of the Packers having "very solid pro" kind of guys, like Micah Hyde (I am actually glad he's gone) or Mike Neal or Letroy Guion or Jake Ryan or fill-in-the-blank. Even Clay Matthews is slumping into a "very solid pro." Would anyone call him a great player any more?

This team needs a star, needs a difference-maker. Can JJ Watt be that guy, do you think?

Okay, moving on - you've said before that TT can't seem to transform his defenses into top-ten powerhouses that can win you a SB. And there was a good article in the JSO on just that - how TT has used lots of draft resources (and he's even signed guys here and there, like Peppers) but he misses and misses and misses on them. Don't get me wrong, some of them can play - but they tend to be either just-okay guys or maybe that "solid pro" who is above average. But man, we all know that a defense needs playmakers, and Ted cannot seem to find those guys very well. Sure, it's hard for anyone to do, but some teams seem to build better defenses than Ted does without investing so many high-round draft picks, or if they do, those picks pay off.

I'm tired of watching our defenses get torn up, other teams going up and down the field freely. The stout defensive performances (the Seattle NFC championship game) are the exceptions, and they are few and far between. There are many, many more memories of teams abusing a helpless Green Bay defense - the Falcons and Cowboys this season, back to Colin Kaepernick and company doing anything they wanted. Good God, the Packer defense just can never seem to get off the field, and I am sick of that.

JJ Watt is tenacious; and he's a very good athlete. He breathes the game of football and his intensity is second to none. I'm not sure he's going to be a star, but I think he'll be a very good pass rusher and LB in the NFL. His upside and relentless ambition could lead to him being a star.

Ted has failed our defense over and over. He needs to get things right this year or AROD will continue to get us to the playoffs while Ted's failures continue to get us bounced

[esoxx]

I don't think we're getting JJ Watt any time soon but will be fine if TJ Watt becomes a Packer in a few weeks. Think he's just what the doctor ordered for this defense.