Ahman Ah-rested

[MadScientist]

no blood, no foul

I'd say an eye injury is equivalent to blood. This is apparently third domestic incident involving Green. The dude has problems and needs a time out, followed by anger management therapy.

[mraynrand]

no blood, no foul

For the most part I agree; that includes bruising. A bruise means it isn't just a slap.

I don't know what happened, I'm just trying to articulate a difference between a hit that injures and a slap. I've never hit a woman, but my wife has slapped our kids on rare occasion. I didn't think she needed to be jailed.

[hoosier]

no blood, no foul

Neither fish nor fowl.

The report said the police report said there was bruising around the eye. You don't get that from a slap. The distinction between what is legally permissible (discipline) and what is assault usually rests on whether or not the force leaves a lasting mark (such as bruising), whether or not the action could be reasonably construed as intended to give a lesson (so hitting a child in anger would count as abuse), and whether or not the person inflicting the pain is in control. It sounds like Ahman fell on the wrong side of the law on at least two and probably all three of those criteria. The child is a teenager. I wonder how long this pattern has been going on.....

[Rutnstrut]

Neither fish nor fowl.

The report said the police report said there was bruising around the eye. You don't get that from a slap. The distinction between what is legally permissible (discipline) and what is assault usually rests on whether or not the force leaves a lasting mark (such as bruising), whether or not the action could be reasonably construed as intended to give a lesson (so hitting a child in anger would count as abuse), and whether or not the person inflicting the pain is in control. It sounds like Ahman fell on the wrong side of the law on at least two and probably all three of those criteria. The child is a teenager. I wonder how long this pattern has been going on.....

I have seen people bruise from less than a slap. You can't generalize what causes a bruise without knowing the individual.

[Joemailman]

I'd say an eye injury is equivalent to blood. This is apparently third domestic incident involving Green. The dude has problems and needs a time out, followed by anger management therapy.

He had to undergo anger management counseling following a domestic incident in 2005. Might need a refresher course.

[Zool]

Yeah, god forbid anyone discipline their bratty, entitled, lazy children. If they did, there would be no future for the Democratic party.

If you teach a child to do what you say with the thread of violence, that child learns that the threat of violence gets you what you want. It's actually pretty simple and completely fucking stupid. If you hit your kid, you just lost.

[mraynrand]

If you teach a child to do what you say with the thread of violence, that child learns that the threat of violence gets you what you want. It's actually pretty simple and completely fucking stupid. If you hit your kid, you just lost.

good lord

[Joemailman]

If you teach a child to do what you say with the thread of violence, that child learns that the threat of violence gets you what you want. It's actually pretty simple and completely fucking stupid. If you hit your kid, you just lost.

Not all hitting is violence. My dad used to sometimes hit us for misbehaving. We never sensed danger though because we knew he wasn't doing it out of rage. He was in control. he was sending a message that we needed to straighten up. Ahman Green is a different story. He has, at least sporadically, problems controlling his anger.

[hoosier]

Not all hitting is violence. My dad used to sometimes hit us for misbehaving. We never sensed danger though because we knew he wasn't doing it out of rage. He was in control. he was sending a message that we needed to straighten up. Ahman Green is a different story. He has, at least sporadically, problems controlling his anger.

Sorry but it is still violence. Maybe of a different sort, but it is still violence. I don't doubt that there were and may still be family environments in which kids get spanked and grow up to be highly functional adults. But parenting culture is changing, and it's no longer generally accepted that hitting a child will produce desirable changes. Recent studies have shown a positive correlation between corporal punishment in the home and increased negative behavior as well as lowering of self-esteem. There are plenty of non-violent ways of teaching kids right from wrong and instilling responsibility.

[MadtownPacker]

Now that's a Green Bay Smacker!!!

Man where Nutz or skinbasket? Bunch of pussies here like PBMax and zool. So what if he had to put her little ass down. You mofos know how teenagers can be. He didn't break anything and bruising ain't shit.

[mraynrand]

Recent studies have shown a positive correlation between corporal punishment in the home and increased negative behavior as well as lowering of self-esteem.

50% of social science studies is shit. Not to mention that a lot of even the reasonably conducted stuff is politically outcome-driven (lysenkoism). And the last thing our society needs is more self esteem.

I would like to see which studies you think are worthy of consideration. I'd consider them.

[hoosier]

Here is an example of a metastudy of spanking. Its conclusions are not entirely black-and-white and it finds that a large number of the studies done were flawed--not because they were politically motivated, as you assume, but probably because they were simply poorly conceived--but it still finds persuasive evidence of correlation between spanking and negative behavior.

Don't be too hasty in dismissing self esteem or in assuming that you know what someone else understands when they speak of it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...bout-spanking/

[Harlan Huckleby]

Probably there are plenty of homes where spanking is done, and the kids turn out fine. But maybe that is because the parents are caring and attentive, and that overrides the pointless destruction of hitting the kids. We'll never know from studies.

Anecdotally, I was spanked as a kid and turned out splendidly. But is that because of my core strengths, my steely resolve to do good in the world? We can never know.

[hoosier]

Anecdotally, I was spanked as a kid....

That explains a lot.

[mraynrand]

Anecdotally, I was spanked as a kid

I was spanked for real, not anecdotally.