Official 2018 nfl draft thread

[Bretsky]

from Mike Mayock

2). Marcus Davenport, UTSA

There is quite the drop off at this position after Chubb. Davenport is a player who still needs time ti fill out into his frame. His motor also doesn’t allow him to be a player who provides consistent pressure on the quarterback at this point in his career. He has been a stand up pass rusher at UTSA, but he has the Build to become a defensive end in a 4-3 if needed. He is a player who is still fairly far from his potential.

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New DC. Even if he is not a 2 point OLB, there is room for a hand in dirt pass rusher from the end. You still have Matthews/Perry/Fackrell/Biegel to handle any OLB calls.

i would say of the guys you listed, at least 2 already can't do much more then rush the passer (perry, mathews)

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I keep hearing he's raw and needs developing

i've heard he's a massive boom or bust guy

that he has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft, but that he's a very long ways away from there, and that he hasn't made a whole hell of a lot of progress in getting there so far

he's a guy that looks the part, but hasn't produced

[pbmax]

i would say of the guys you listed, at least 2 already can't do much more then rush the passer (perry, mathews)

Perry is a monster against the run. Matthews is good if he stays at home. Fackrell was better last year.

Need pass rush. Run D will be OK.

[Bretsky]

Perry is a monster against the run. Matthews is good if he stays at home. Fackrell was better last year.

Need pass rush. Run D will be OK.

"better" than horrible is still bad

[call_me_ishmael]

I have no inkling about this draft. I think that speaks to the lack of first round defensive talent. I guess just take the best player available at any position. I'd rather have that then reach and miss.

[woodbuck27]

i've heard he's a massive boom or bust guy

that he has the highest ceiling of anyone in the draft, but that he's a very long ways away from there, and that he hasn't made a whole hell of a lot of progress in getting there so far

he's a guy that looks the part, but hasn't produced

My very first time I watched him on video = STIFF.

I've watched him on video a lot and still see ... STIFF !

Mae even says between EDGE Marcus Davenport (Tier 2 and Graded at 5.99) Vs Landry (Tier 1 and Graded 6.15) it;'s Landry and he has a lot to prove he's ready for the Show in the NFL.

My guts scream NO to both Marcus Davenport and Harold Landry.

So what's really there and filling a NEED at NO. 14:

If they go BPA and Grade him anywhere like NFL.Com did it's for a real weakness now and Wide Receiver and WR Calvin Ridley, Alabama and his 6.40 Gade.

How about more athleticism at ILB and *** This Guy? How much of a project is this talent Vs Landry and Davenport?

Leighton Vander Esch - Boise State and Graded at 6.25 Right the Packers don't draft high and ILB..what a shame !? That eliminates this Guy ... Rashaan EVANS and LBer ,Alabama, and his 6.10 Grade and talent.

*** ... https://www.nfl.com/prospects/leight...6-0b4e5b5e883e

Is it another OT and Mike McGlinchey (Graded at Tier 2 and 5.95) and starting him on the Right side?

How about super move at O Guard and grabbing Tier 1 and with a GRADE of 6.12 UTEP's Will Hernandez? WE do not need projects unless it'd definitely longer term and re-building time. It's difficult to ever know what's going on in the collective Heads of Packer BRASS !? They've got more Secrets than the Free Masons. hahahaha

It's all rather complicated hahaha.

[pbmax]

"better" than horrible is still bad

Fackrell still can’t rush the passer but his run D was good last year.

[Deputy Nutz]

Landry is supported to have an already developed array of pass rushing moves, especially compared to Davenport. Have read it over and over but here:

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018HLandry.php

Is it more he doesn't use his hands well to disengage?

I love the feature on youtube where you can watch tape of guys verse teams and they are just the cuts that they are on the field. Anyone can put a high light film together and look like an all pro.

I thought I responded to this post yesterday, but I guess I didn't. Landry looks really stiff and plays really tall. I watched 3 films on him and was not impressed with his level of disruption.
His first step doesn't seem to gain any ground and he is not violent with his hands.

Davenport is raw, no doubt. It would be troublesome if the Packers were in a position to draft either one of these guys with the 14th pick, but Davenport is a 6-6 outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme and has the physical tools to get way better. I take the upside with Davenport. I don't know what Mayock is talking about when he refers to his motor, the film I watched of the guy he is chasing plays down away from him and up field. He probably wears out by the end of the game since he is the only playmaker for a shitty team.

The more I use Youtube the better I can see for myself about these athletes. I am sure Mayock has spent more time on it, but all of these draft prognosticators have agendas.

[mraynrand]

I am sure Mayock has spent more time on it, but all of these draft prognosticators have agendas.

Interesting. What's Mayock's agenda?

[Deputy Nutz]

Interesting. What's Mayock's agenda?

Pussy, always pussy

[mraynrand]

I love the feature on youtube where you can watch tape of guys verse teams and they are just the cuts that they are on the field. ....
Davenport is raw, no doubt. It would be troublesome if the Packers were in a position to draft either one of these guys with the 14th pick, but Davenport is a 6-6 outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme and has the physical tools to get way better. I take the upside with Davenport....I don't know what Mayock is talking about when he refers to his motor, the film I watched of the guy he is chasing plays down away from him and up field. He probably wears out by the end of the game since he is the only playmaker for a shitty team.

Watched him versus Baylor. Single blocked all day, dancing bear with O-tackle. Was easily blocked by TEs and RBs. His allure must be all physical attributes and upside. And yeah, his effort looks generally low. But he's a big guy getting a lot of snaps in hot weather.

[pbmax]

I love the feature on youtube where you can watch tape of guys verse teams and they are just the cuts that they are on the field. Anyone can put a high light film together and look like an all pro.

I thought I responded to this post yesterday, but I guess I didn't. Landry looks really stiff and plays really tall. I watched 3 films on him and was not impressed with his level of disruption.
His first step doesn't seem to gain any ground and he is not violent with his hands.

Davenport is raw, no doubt. It would be troublesome if the Packers were in a position to draft either one of these guys with the 14th pick, but Davenport is a 6-6 outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme and has the physical tools to get way better. I take the upside with Davenport. I don't know what Mayock is talking about when he refers to his motor, the film I watched of the guy he is chasing plays down away from him and up field. He probably wears out by the end of the game since he is the only playmaker for a shitty team.

The more I use Youtube the better I can see for myself about these athletes. I am sure Mayock has spent more time on it, but all of these draft prognosticators have agendas.

My fear is all circumstantial. Except for QBs, no position provides for more mistakes than chasing pass rush in the first round. Its a weak pass rush EDGE draft. Pick 14 is close to top value for these guys.

So my conclusion is that (unless they can trade to early 20s) they get batter value elsewhere.

There could be a big payoff to trading down if someone is convinced Arizona is taking Lamar Jackson.

[Deputy Nutz]

Watched him versus Baylor. Single blocked all day, dancing bear with O-tackle. Was easily blocked by TEs and RBs. His allure must be all physical attributes and upside. And yeah, his effort looks generally low. But he's a big guy getting a lot of snaps in hot weather.

I will just post the video because I disagree with your assessment. He did better rushing against the left tackle than Baylor's right tackle but he consistently condensed the pocket and had one full sack and a couple partial sacks along with several QB hits and hurries.

[mraynrand]

I will just post the video because I disagree with your assessment. He did better rushing against the left tackle than Baylor's right tackle but he consistently condensed the pocket and had one full sack and a couple partial sacks along with several QB hits and hurries.

OK. I just wasn't all that impressed. I'm not gonna watch the video again, but I thought he was unblocked on his best pass rush.