Who should be the next GM?

[call_me_ishmael]

I think the only positions that cannot be blocked are assistants to become head coaches. (I am probably wrong though)

[Smidgeon]

I think the only positions that cannot be blocked are assistants to become head coaches. (I am probably wrong though)

I was very sure (before this news) that if a GM position had full roster control, no one could be blocked from interviewing for it. That's why I'm confused. Is GB not offering full roster control (uh oh) or is it a timing thing like pb suggests?

[Zool]

If you're gonna let me cook dinner, why can't I choose the ingredients? Wasn't that a Parcelsism?

Not saying I agree 100%, but not saying I disagree 100% either...

But I do want them all on the same page, and not sure how to do that without input from all of them.

Mechanics would be terrible at designing cars.

[Joemailman]

I was very sure (before this news) that if a GM position had full roster control, no one could be blocked from interviewing for it. That's why I'm confused. Is GB not offering full roster control (uh oh) or is it a timing thing like pb suggests?

Minnesota can deny interview requests because they're still playing, according to http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018...-assistant-gm/

[Smidgeon]

Minnesota can deny interview requests because they're still playing, according to http://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018...-assistant-gm/

So it's timing. Weird, I guess, but okay.

[Joemailman]

So it's timing. Weird, I guess, but okay.

It effectively blocks the Packers since they want to make a decision by next week.

[ZachMN]

This whole thing is really a cluster. If the situation requires keeping MM then the would turn off a lot of potential candidates outside of the organization in my opinion and potentially within as well. Couple that with a DC opening why would anyone want that position until the GM position is solidified? Unbelievable Murphy would say anything about M3 being the coach. Deal with one thing at a time. You know the idiot press will ask about the head coach so just say 'We will visit that after the gm is in place' instead of putting yourself in a corner. I don't like the timing of any of this unless it's all a charade for ultimately putting Wolfe or Gutekunst in place and they are on the same page with M3.

[Joemailman]

This whole thing is really a cluster. If the situation requires keeping MM then the would turn off a lot of potential candidates outside of the organization in my opinion and potentially within as well. Couple that with a DC opening why would anyone want that position until the GM position is solidified? Unbelievable Murphy would say anything about M3 being the coach. Deal with one thing at a time. You know the idiot press will ask about the head coach so just say 'We will visit that after the gm is in place' instead of putting yourself in a corner. I don't like the timing of any of this unless it's all a charade for ultimately putting Wolfe or Gutekunst in place and they are on the same page with M3.

Murphy had to solidify MM's status so MM can get on with hiring a DC. No candidates from the outside were going to want to come here to be DC without knowing who the HC is going to be.

[ZachMN]

Murphy had to solidify MM's status so MM can get on with hiring a DC. No candidates from the outside were going to want to come here to be DC without knowing who the HC is going to be.

Maybe...but My argument here is don't handcuff the GM with M3. At this point a DC is hardly my concern. Get the GM then let him decide if M3 is his guy then the DC position gets taken care of.

[pbmax]

Maybe...but My argument here is don't handcuff the GM with M3. At this point a DC is hardly my concern. Get the GM then let him decide if M3 is his guy then the DC position gets taken care of.

I agree with this. Why decide BEFORE getting the GM?

The answer probably isn't named Mike. Its probably named Aaron, who will be redoing a contract next year.

[woodbuck27]

Murphy had to solidify MM's status so MM can get on with hiring a DC. No candidates from the outside were going to want to come here to be DC without knowing who the HC is going to be.

No ...it was easy:

Mark Murphy had to see it all as anyone should have that loves the Green Bay Packers.

FIRE MM and Dom Capers and if he needed to be somehow Thanked reassign TT and simply and effectively hire that New GM and allow him to hire his HC and Coaching Staff.

It was a 'No Brainer' easy peasy way to get it all on track in 2018 or a fresh start. The timing after the debacle the last 7 years and especially after 2017 was PERFECT.

Now it's a complete mess.

[pbmax]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade of complaints and absolute assurance they have the answer, but has anyone noticed that all the former Packer GMs, you know, the one's who sign free agents and thought Ted's insistence on treading very carefully with other teams players was a little extreme, have worse records overall than he does?

And that two are stuck in the "good team has no more top 10 picks" loop that Thompson has been working on for 12 years? The third was fired for cap reasons?

Does it occur to any of you that this isn't that much that separates these guys?

Does it occur to you that assuming Ball won't sign FAs because Ted high fives him twice is kinda guesswork?

Does it occur to anyone that the key to success is a little luck and making the most of what you have on hand. Which means Ted's greatest failure wasn't a lack of a 2nd SB, it was not getting on same page with Dom or forcing M3 to fire him?

And that the new guy will have all the same challenges AND more?

And that the odds are that the Packers will now be worse off, because they have been so much better off than the rest of the League?

If it turns out that Murphy did all this to knock over the dominoes to Rodgers next contract, keep MM around, get new GM that M3 and AR like better, he will have single handedly made the worst decision since Forrest Gregg got a contract extension and more power?

[Bretsky]

Nope. People against having a cap guy in charge should REALLY be upset about a HC with personnel authority.

It works out far, far less. For every Belichick, there is Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Mike Sherman and Nick Saban.

AGREE; although I'd consider most coaches very good judges of who to go after in free agency

[Bretsky]

I know a lot of folks believe Ball is gonna get the job I hope it is Gutekunst instead.

I'd be happy with him too

[woodbuck27]

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade of complaints and absolute assurance they have the answer, but has anyone noticed that all the former Packer GMs, you know, the one's who sign free agents and thought Ted's insistence on treading very carefully with other teams players was a little extreme, have worse records overall than he does?

And that two are stuck in the "good team has no more top 10 picks" loop that Thompson has been working on for 12 years? The third was fired for cap reasons?

Does it occur to any of you that this isn't that much that separates these guys?

Does it occur to you that assuming Ball won't sign FAs because Ted high fives him twice is kinda guesswork?

Does it occur to anyone that the key to success is a little luck and making the most of what you have on hand. Which means Ted's greatest failure wasn't a lack of a 2nd SB, it was not getting on same page with Dom or forcing M3 to fire him?

And that the new guy will have all the same challenges AND more?

And that the odds are that the Packers will now be worse off, because they have been so much better off than the rest of the League?

If it turns out that Murphy did all this to knock over the dominoes to Rodgers next contract, keep MM around, get new GM that M3 and AR like better, he will have single handedly made the worst decision since Forrest Gregg got a contract extension and more power?

I still believe that any GM style issues and performance issues set to the side:

Ted Thompson didn't look to be healthy. That very likely TT didn't deserve the stress of the GM's job if in fact failing health was a TRUTH and therefore a solid reason to dismiss him as the Packer GM.

A.) Will Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy select Russ Ball as the next Packer GM?

I don't know.

B.) The Rumour and MM leaving as Packer HC; if Russ Ball becomes the next Packer GM? Why !? This one is puzzling.

Wouldn't it have been then Packer GM TT (and loyalty to MM) and Packer Russ Ball (Vice President of Football Administration / Player Finance) that negotiated that new extension to MM's Contract to include the 2019 Season?

I thought about this possibility and Mike McCarthy and his 'own skin':

Maybe, Mike McCarthy expected a longer Extension beyond the 2019 Season and Russ Ball vetoed that? Mike McCarthy's Irish temper kicks in.

That possibility aside.

What about MM wanting a more 'all in approach' (ie using FA and Trades etc.) from Packer Football Operations and pup the TOOLS support to maximize The obvious and shrinking window of opportunity having Aaron Rodgers, generally accepted now as the NFL's Finest Player.

MM and Aaron Rodgers are certainly by all common sense and REPORTS on the same page there.

Obviously Ted Thompson wasn't getting that done and the Packer Defense going consistently South. It appears that Mike McCarthy might use that as his defense and retaining Dom Capers for over the Top like Shawn Slocum, far too long, until it was as easy as 1-2-3 that after this 2017 Season MM had to FIRE Dom Capers..

C.) Could Russ Ball be efficient as the New Packer GM?

If Mark Murphy elects to promote him as the next Packer GM he would certainly have to think so.

What do any of you Packerrats think?

See the thread I created on Russ Ball last night; to help Y'all analyze that.