Who should be the next GM?

[pbmax]

At this point I think I want Eliot Wolf as the GM and give what ever hats are left over to Russ Ball. Im not buying the argument that TT disciples won't use FA. There are plenty of examples out there of TT guys getting GM jobs and using draft and FA. Schneider, McKenzie, and Dorsey all brought/bring in FAs.

But if that is true, how does the argument that Ball won't use FA hold together?

[Joemailman]

Are you buying into the circle talk of working with Ted Thompson ? It's a very nice and convenient spin things to go along with Mark (who may soon deserve the nickname of "THE PUPPET) Murphy going out of his way to note a few times they will look at guys without the Personnel Background .

It's ironic that you think of Murphy as a puppet since you want to limit him to doing things as his predecessor did. Murphy played for Joe Gibbs in Washington, playing in 2 Super Bowls. He was the AD at Northwestern when they greatly improved their football program. He was the President here when the Packers won the Super Bowl. He knows what a winning football organization looks like. I don't find it concerning that he's not a Bob Harlan clone. He's certainly more qualified than John Jones, the guy Harlan hired as President before he had to turn to Murphy.

Let's be honest. Neither of us really know how much Ball has been involved in personnel decisions in recent years. Packers are pretty tight-lipped about that stuff.

By the way, I voted for Wolf (or Wolfe) in the poll.

[woodbuck27]

But if that is true, how does the argument that Ball won't use FA hold together?

Wasn't $10 Million remaining on the books for the 2017 Season?

What part did Russ Ball have in that? Is the Green Bay Packers an organization that's suffering financially?

Does $10 Million CAP Space remaining translate to going for the Big Show?

I don't prefer 'a Bean Counter' as the Green Bay Packers GM." I don't prefer Russ Ball as the next GM of the Green Bay Packers.

[BZnDallas]

But if that is true, how does the argument that Ball won't use FA hold together?

I don't buy that either. Until a TT guy leaves and only draft and develops, I think THAT particular argument is bullsh.

[Joemailman]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...t-1/349589001/

Ball, 57, is among the most intriguing figures in the Packers organization simply because the general public knows nothing about a man with immense influence. He is lauded as the team’s lead contract negotiator and salary-cap guru, but his responsibilities are said to extend much further. His talents are viewed as indispensable.

He has been described by Murphy as the “unsung hero of our Super Bowl” and by coach Mike McCarthy as “the best I’ve ever been around.” He is devoutly loyal to the organization and the epitome of a company man. He will not discuss business dealings with his family. He cuts off contact with his brother during the draft and free agency each year. (Randy Ball, a former collegiate head coach, is a pro scouting assistant for the Kansas City Chiefs.)

Around the league, Ball’s peers view him as a legitimate candidate for general manager jobs and wonder why he doesn’t have one already. In Green Bay, Ball is the dark horse to take over whenever the 64-year-old Thompson retires.

“He likes what he does now,” said Russ’ oldest brother, Rick Ball, “but he would love the opportunity to be a general manager.”

[BZnDallas]

Wasn't $10 Million remaining on the books for the 2017 Season?

What part did Russ Ball have in that? Is the Green Bay Packers an organization that's suffering financially?

Does $10 Million CAP Space remaining translate to going for the Big Show?

I don't want 'a Bean Counter' as the Green Bay Packers GM." I don't want Russ Ball as the next GM of the Green Bay Packers.

I thought TT and Ball used some of that $10 mil to extend Adams and Linsley? They used this last 2017 season to make it cheaper over the course of the extension.

[Joemailman]

I thought TT and Ball used some of that $10 mil to extend Adams and Linsley? They used this last 2017 season to make it cheaper over the course of the extension.

Packers are about 6 million under the cap, which ranks 18th. If they do nothing else by the end of the league year, they will be 22.6 million under the cap, which would rank 19th. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

[bobblehead]

At this point, policy is the most important thing: Are we gonna continue to refuse to even compete for top free agents? Or will there be an effort to turn around the deterioration Ted let happen to the roster?

It's not automatic that the people who worked for Ted will follow his ways, but I'd much prefer somebody whose record says for sure that he will build the roster BOTH through the draft and through quality free agents - and I don't mean overage or leftovers nobody else wants like the few Ted went for.

If someone is so motivated I would like a list of the top 5 FA's who signed huge money and how their team fared the next 2 years. I think it would be enlightening for many.

[bobblehead]

I do not TRUST CEO Mark Murphy after it's all coming out (** and THE TRUTH) to be a Man that can make the best decision.

Clearly (and **) CEO Mark Murphy isn't a Man of Vision or why did he have to be approached by a 45 Member Packer Board Executive Committee to remove TT as the Packer GM; when it was too obvious Ted Thompson wasn't fit healthwise to handle the Packer GM's job?

You are hilarious. Who do you trust? Who should be the next packers GM? Who should the board replace Murphy with....wait, the board is incompetent, we need a new board.

[woodbuck27]

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/tom-oates-in-search-for-new-gm-packers-should-stick/article_054d87de-261b-5dca-9cc8-b94d88181ddd.html

PACKERS

Tom Oates: In search for new GM, Packers should stick with what has worked

TOM OATES toates@madison.com 22 hrs ago

" Thompson’s draft-and-develop approach became a lightning rod for criticism, but mostly due to his reluctance to use means other than the draft to build his roster. It wasn’t the approach that was flawed, it was Thompson’s interpretation of it. "

" The draft-and-develop strategy has worked and can continue to work. However, that will only happen if Murphy hires someone willing to augment the roster with veterans via free agency and trades, unlike Thompson, whose reliance on undrafted — read: dirt cheap — free agents ..."

" ...The natural reaction is that hiring a Thompson protege will mean more of the same in Green Bay, but that’s highly unlikely. Most of Thompson’s underlings never shared his overly cautious nature and were frustrated by his lack of action when deals that would have improved the team presented themselves. ..."

" Eliot Wolf and Gutekunst were known to favor more aggressive tactics over the years but were often vetoed by Thompson. There is no real track record on Ball, who has largely handled Thompson’s administrative work and managed the salary cap."

[bobblehead]

Indeed! Spend money on players not wanted by their original team at the dollar amount they are asking! How can that go wrong! Look how its worked for Seattle!

BTW, some more info about how terrible the O line Thompson drafted was, backup tackles included.

Its almost as if the OL is more responsible for a good run game than the RB. But nah...that can't be.

[bobblehead]

I'm pretty confident Murphy wouldn't hire as GM someone who is just an accountant. Ball has reportedly been working with Thompson more in recent years on personnel matters. He clearly would need a right-hand man with a background in scouting. It's a situation that could be made to work.

Someone like Ted Thompson?

[bobblehead]

I also want a list of the marquee FA acquisitions made by Bellicheat, Dorsey, Schneider, and McKenzie (not counting Marshall Newhouse).

[woodbuck27]

You are hilarious. Who do you trust? Who should be the next packers GM? Who should the board replace Murphy with....wait, the board is incompetent, we need a new board.

Are you keeping up or as usual simply shooting off?

Why did Mark Murphy remove TT as GM?

Why did it come to that?

Was Mark Murphy paying attention to Packers Football related Issues or otherwise involved in other Projects?

[woodbuck27]

Someone like Ted Thompson?

You would want it to go on as it has and more continued failure with a heavy TT influence.

Take some time to get your facts straight before popping off.

Argue with ** the FACTS ** forget your BURN on me.

Argue with the second post in this thread:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...you-can-LAUGH-!