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Originally posted by texaspackerbacker
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Time will tell. Some of us have been calling for a KISS system for quite a while. Pettine's KILL system sounds like the answer. I think you've always overestimated Capers and his "scheming." First of all, if a player fails in Capers' scheme, is it lack of talent or lack of knowledge of the scheme? If a "scheme" fails, is it because the players didn't execute properly or because the scheme was old and tired? When you read stories about opposing QB's knowing which Packers were going to blitz, you have to suspect that maybe Capers' and his schemes were old and tired. Like I said, time will tell. I'm expecting the Packers D to be top 10 this year.One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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Yeah, and I bet those people correlated very well with the Capers haters and the defenders of Ted Thompson. I remember the bad ol' days of plain vanilla D, which handicapped the Packers even when they had good D talent and really messed things up when we did not. I'm not saying Pettine will go back to that, but my take on it is he will (hopefully) have just as good scheming as Capers combined with better teaching so as to eliminate the confusion. If Capers' blitz schemes were all that predictable, you'd think opponents woulda just shut up about it instead of telling the world.What could be more GOOD and NORMAL and AMERICAN than Packer Football?Comment
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The world already knew.Originally posted by texaspackerbacker View PostOne time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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I think both the complexity and the varying level of talent are major contributors to the problems of the last few years.
There is no reason to have communication breakdowns as often as they have them. Everyone and their beat writer brother is talking themselves into circles about whether it was young players last year that caused the confusion (both Randall and seemingly Martinez all but said Jones was unreliable) or the defensive structure.
But the confusion was evident going back to the much earlier days of Tramontana and Charles. So young players (a problem if you work under Ted) only explain part of the problem.
That is inexcusable.
More in question, to me, is Tramontana's claim last week that Capers system was outdated. I believe it if Tramon meant that adapting the baseline Capers' defense to modern offenses meant almost unending adjustments. Much less sure of he means the defense can't work. Its not rocket science to determine how you are getting beat. But rebuilding your defense to eliminate the obvious complexity and shortcomings has defeated great men before.
The base 3-4 that worked so well in 09 and 10 had a monster front (Pickett, Raji, Jenkins, Kampman, Jolly, Green, and I am sure I am omitting a couple). Without Jolly and Green, the duo of Pickett and Raji got less and less effective especially, it seemed, when they switched to the over front with Raji as a 3 tech (sometimes a 5). This was also the time at which they switched to a nickel and the majority time base defense.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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I think you have to keep it short because some people’s attention spans are"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - WoodbuckComment
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If Adams comes around, Clark steps up, Wilkerson has some of his old self left and one of the rookies (Sheehy?) turns into something, this group could rival that Pickett, Raji group.Originally posted by pbmax View PostOne time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
John Maxymuk, Packers By The NumbersComment
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Don't forget that touchdown machine, Ol' Alligator Arms Dean Lowry.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
I can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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The weird part is that they were run dominant for 2 years and pass rush was OK. The 2-4-5 nickel emphasized pass rush from people other than DL and it worked for a while, but the run D fell part. Then they ran out of edge rushers. I don't think there was a Top 10 D that could have been constructed out of the personnel from the '12-'13 years. Still unsure why the '11 defense fell apart completely.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
Still doesn't excuse communication issues though.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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LOL watching that play. Winston reminds me of Hundley there for some reason. As for Lowry, he got beat pretty good on the play and was lucky. A delayed blitz by Ryan and a nasty spin by Clark set that up on a plate for him.Don't forget that touchdown machine, Ol' Alligator Arms Dean Lowry.
Clark could really have a good year -- he's a young and ascending player IMO. Seems like Pettine is going to lean on the DL to provide pressure more, so maybe the OLB depth is less of an issue.
Really curious about Adams. They liked him enough to spend a R3 pick on him and seems like he's a good athlete for his size...but he was hurt/invisible last year so maybe that's a redshirt for him. They'll need him to show up this year.Comment
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I agree on the communication issues -- they shouldn't happen. I think some of those guys are better at making checks and calls on the fly -- it seemed Burnett was better than HaHa, for example.
Charlie Peprah could get things done back there -- he was smart and had some experience. M.D. Jennings or Jerron McMillian were not the answer back in the day.
I got the impression the safeties are making the calls in the secondary, not the CBs. I recall seeing some issues with people getting lined up or covering the right person.
I'm not overly surprised Jones had issues last year as a rookie trying to learn S and LB while drawing flags as a gunner. Thank goodness they finally pulled him from ST, but he'll have a lot to prove this year.Comment
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Yes we need to see OPPONENTS PLAY Green Bay with 'their eyes wide open'; bring back the mauler hard tackling 'D' we used to see and not the head spinning what should I do pathetic 'D' we've seen for the past six Seasons.Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
We're now aware that once a star defender leaves Green Bay he excels in a better Defensive System Defensive backs the went into the AFC and Buffalo and Safety Micah Hyde and The LA Chargers and CB Casey Hayward.
Should the blame be with the GM Ted Thompson or the DC Dom Capers and his Defensive Backfield Coaches or the man that retained DC Dom Capers far too long and (still retained some of the defensive coaches going into the 2018 Season; or Head Coach Mike McCarthy.
Mike McCarthy needs his comfort Zone. We're still seeing that status quo exists today with his hires and the Packers Coaching Staff. We know he blamed TT for not giving him the talent he needed to make a bigger impact and be a certain Super Bowl contender by comments he's made after the completion of the 2017 Season. We saw Packers HC Mike McCarthy Fire arguably the best Position Coaches we had in DL Coach Mike Trgovac ( I think he went to the Oakland Raiders) and **come on...Scott McCurley – Assistant Linebackers Coach who Coached an NFL leading tackler LBer Blake Martinez and was with the Packers in his Coaching Career for a dozen Seasons .
** Subsequently the Packers brought back Scott McCurley
Report: Packers bring back assistant coach Scott McCurley
By: BRIAN JONES Jan 19, 1:52 PM
It's stuff like this that makes me happy that MM is reporting directly to the Packers President and CEO Mark Murphy. I would keep MM on a very short leash. He's certainly erratic. Without Aaron Rodgers he's be tending Bar somewhere in Greater Pittsburgh and wringing about 300 lbs and charming customers with all his Coaching exploits in the NFL.
Ghessh but MM is and will remain as Packer Head Coach absolutely THE WEAKEST LINK.
Count on it !** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
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Julian Edelman getting 4 game suspension for PED's. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...ame-suspensionI can't run no more
With that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places
Say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up
A thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard CohenComment
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The Packers defense will have a Pettine patina to it.Who Knows? The Shadow knows!Comment
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Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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