What Does McCarthy Have to Do Next Year to Get A Contract Extension?

[pbmax]

I think Fat Mike needs a deep run because right now he looks like a lame duck coach with a “vote of confidence” from the GM. That’s never a good place to be as a coach.

I agree this seems to be the case. He's on a very hot seat.

[pbmax]

Not defending McCarthy, but you don't move on without a succession plan and a solid chance of a good replacement. Better be prepared to roll the dice on the next head coach and take your chances. What percentages of new coaches fail?

This year was a disappointment, primarily because Hundley didn't live up to expectations and the front office went "all in" on his abilities.

We've been in the NFC championship game how many times in the last few years? Seems our defense has been the one to "drop the ball" - no pun intended - pretty much every year except 2010. Acknowledge that the buck stops with McCarthy.

I'm interested to see what a new DC, the return of Philbin, and a new GM - potentially with a new approach to team composition - can do with this roster. I'm open to seeing what McCarthy can do with these new pieces, primarily because I'm not convinced change for the sake of change is a good betting proposition.

The defense has shit the bed in playoff games, memorably in Atlanta. But they have also held up their end of the donkey several times only to be let down by the offense (Seattle, Arizona, San Fran in Lambeau).

I think Maxie is mostly right, the performance in the playoffs might be the determining factor, rather than the record that gets him there.

[ND72]

When our receivers get covered it doesn't look as if the defensive backs are physically gifted. It looks as if they know the route tree better than the receivers.

Snap after snap the receivers are freaking blanketed.

This is my frustration. I would watch our games and guys for the other teams would be running free. I get our defense was laughable, but really? Then on the flip side, it looked like the other team was running our scheme for us, because nobody was open. Rodgers had to make perfect passes because nobody is open, and not to act like Hundley's savior, but Hundley isn't Rodgers. I'm willing to bet, you give Hundley a scheme where the WR's got open, you'd see better results.

[3irty1]

I agree this seems to be the case. He's on a very hot seat.

Not so sure the seat is red hot. The man was promoted in the offseason after all. Even if he's not perfect he's got a huge body of work with 12 under his belt and that continuity in Rodgers's last few years is worth a hell of a lot. What people are calling lame duck status might just be a labor dispute about how to extend him after a lousy year of piloting a super bowl favorite into the dirt.

My biggest complaint about MM will always be the comfort with which he'll hold on to poorly performing ideas, players, and staff. Although I have to admit sometimes its a strength as well. Sometimes it looks like stubbornness and other times it looks like loyalty. Either way it shouldn't take years of predictable defensive collapse to get him to go all red wedding on his staff. Time is limited in the NFL and failing fast is a virtue.

I also agree with others that the offense has been showing signs of rot even since 2014 when we had the top ranked offense that year. We started that season with a spell of playing Seattle, New York Jets, and Lions. Remember how bad they looked? That's when I can say the era of having an offense that pretty much automatically puts up 20 were gone. Of all changes we got this offseason maybe Philbin's return ends up being the most impactful.

[Pugger]

McCarthy's biggest mistake was sticking with Capers all these damn years. I seriously doubt any changes would have been made had Hundley won a couple more games and we snuck into the playoffs as a WC so perhaps we should thank Hundley for being so lousy...

[Bretsky]

% of what?

SORRY...."m talking Win Loss percentage

Where does MM stack with the other top 5 or so coaches in GB ?


MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

[pbmax]

MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

The changes that were made by Murphy, including extending McCarthy and Thompson one year, all seem to be designed to ease the way to sign Rodgers to an extension.

So McCarthy did have that leverage by proxy.

But coaches who are not in a precarious position do not sign one year deals. It could be that Murphy talked them both into this in order to ease the transition to a new GM, so they could attract good candidates with the promise of total authority. McCarthy might believe he is months away from a big extension himself.

But a one year extension is just one year. How many coaches do you remember doing a one year deal after a long tenure and surviving? He is far more likely to be pushed overboard now than before. The only thing he survived was the initial wave this year.

[Zool]

SORRY...."m talking Win Loss percentage

Where does MM stack with the other top 5 or so coaches in GB ?


MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

4th behind Curly, Vince and Homegrown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_head_coaches

[Zool]

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

I guess I disagree. Had they hired a GM outside the org, people would be saying he'd want to bring in his own guy sooner rather than later. Because BootsNPants (it's going to be a while before I can spell that guy's name) was hired from within, he naturally wants to keep Fat Mike around? I think Gooty might want his own guy, but had to take on the lame duck for 1 more season. Sherman anyone?

[Joemailman]

SORRY...."m talking Win Loss percentage

Where does MM stack with the other top 5 or so coaches in GB ?


MM improved his coaching staff in the offseason
Sounds like he pushed for this GM over Cappie Guy

I don't get the vibe he's in trouble

You're right. He's improved the coaching staff, at least at the coordinator positions. He got his guy, or at least his type of guy, as GM. He reports to the team President. All of which puts the spotlight directly on him. Is he in trouble? Depends on him.

[hoosier]

What does this mean? Brooks was a turnover machine. McCarthy kept that harnessed for almost two seasons before it went truly ugly. Brooks was terrible and McCathy made the best of him.

McCarthy is a Top 10 coach, but his contract circumstances at 1265 don't seem to align with that view.

I think I agree with the top 10 assessment. But ten years is a long time to be a head coach in the NFL today. Trends change quickly and regimes get stale fast. Even if MM is as good a play caller as there is in the league today, if people have become set in their ways then this might be the one instance in which change for change's sake is desirable.

[pbmax]

I think I agree with the top 10 assessment. But ten years is a long time to be a head coach in the NFL today. Trends change quickly and regimes get stale fast. Even if MM is as good a play caller as there is in the league today, if people have become set in their ways then this might be the one instance in which change for change's sake is desirable.

I strongly doubt a return to form of the 2011 offense for this reason.

[pbmax]

I also cannot fathom the wisdom of letting the coach help pick the GM when the coach hasn't mastered all the elements of game management and player development. That is not a cheap shot.

He has weaknesses and no demonstrated strength in personnel other than demanding some free agents, which boils down to "get me better players".

[3irty1]

Couldn't this just be about salary?

MM probably compares himself to guys like Sean Payton or Tomlin who continue to make significantly more money. His contract is finally up and its his turn to get a record deal but he's not going to do it after a turd of a season.

[Fritz]

The changes that were made by Murphy, including extending McCarthy and Thompson one year, all seem to be designed to ease the way to sign Rodgers to an extension.

So McCarthy did have that leverage by proxy.

But coaches who are not in a precarious position do not sign one year deals. It could be that Murphy talked them both into this in order to ease the transition to a new GM, so they could attract good candidates with the promise of total authority. McCarthy might believe he is months away from a big extension himself.

But a one year extension is just one year. How many coaches do you remember doing a one year deal after a long tenure and surviving? He is far more likely to be pushed overboard now than before. The only thing he survived was the initial wave this year.

A one-year extension means "prove it, and prove it now, buddy." Jim Caldwell got a one-year extension last year, with the expectation that he had to get the Lions in the playoffs AND win a game, or at least be super competitive against what would have been perceived as a better team. An 8-8 record thus did not cut it.

So I think Mikey-Mike IS on the hot seat, and in my estimation he should be. His firing of the DC (with which I agree), but especially the cleaning out and re-arranging of his offensive staff, plus his whining for better talent, amounts to throwing everyone else under the bus. So now that Baby Mikey has gotten all he wanted, he better not have another disappointing season. Do they need to get to the NFC Championship game? Depends. If the team's big guns stay relativelty healthy and the team health overall is decent, then yes. But if big names go down and some position group gets decimated, but Mike sneaks them into the playoffs with a 10-6 but gets beat right away, he might be able to keep his gig.