McCarthy Has To Go

[pbmax]

I just don't get all this "fire MM" gorilla dust from all of you homers - especially you max.

For years I wanted to fire dunderdummy, and was highly critical of TT - and you guys wanted to hang me from the highest tree for treason!!!

Now you guys are on a roll?? Is that it?? Like Robespierre, you can't stop the bloodshed??

MM was the smallest part of the problem - and was consistently a net positive. He gets a lot of blame for being too conservative at times - worst case in point being the Seattle playoff game; but, in total the offense (his main responsibility) has been consistently playoff caliber, if not Superbowl caliber.

Dunderdummy was a horrible drag on the entire team... his ouster alone will make the whole team better.

You can't want to fire Capers and then claim McCarthy was the lesser problem. That makes zero sense, since the latter controlled the employment of the former.

I have the same basic complaints as before, when I was happy to keep both. I think the offense has been in two transition periods since the Super Bowl. One was after 2011 and the Kansas City man coverage with pass rush problem reared its head.

The second was 2013/14 and the transition to the no huddle and away from multiple personnel groups. It worked great in 2014. Since then not so much.

Third is performance in playoffs against good defenses.

All these things are tactical and strategic problems that with any functional org should be solvable. I think M3 is smart enough if pushed in that direction. As vince pointed out, even in his lesser areas, McCarthy is probably a Top 10 coach, and normally well inside the Top 5.

But then the GM left or was pushed out. M3 now reports to the President and had some kind of hand in selecting the GM. The watchword in FA is now aggressive rather than foolish. And M3's press conferences have given me the impression of a man that is completely comfortable with where his mind and plan is at on the football field, more success is around the corner if only he had more talent. This is the kind of thinking that produced Jeff Fisher.

So my concerns don't look closer to being resolved, they look more likely to stick around.

I conclude therefore its time to fire the coach and let the GM hire his own guy. The fact that M3 has only a one year extension is my hope that someone at 1265 sees the problem too.

[wist43]

You can't want to fire Capers and then claim McCarthy was the lesser problem. That makes zero sense, since the latter controlled the employment of the former.

Poppycock.

I've never wanted MM fired, and was very critical of him for keeping dunderdummy. That said, I have serious doubts as to whether getting rid of Capers was MM's call anyway.

MM is a top 10 offensive mind in the NFL - and you want to throw that away now b/c it took him too long to finally organize a palace coup and get rid of the real problems - TT and dunderdummy??

That makes zero sense.

And for my money, the way it all went down - that's exactly what the transition looks like, a long overdue, successful coup. I think Capers enjoyed the protection of TT, and MM finally had enough of it and went to Murphy.

[woodbuck27]

Poppycock.

I've never wanted MM fired, and was very critical of him for keeping dunderdummy. That said, I have serious doubts as to whether getting rid of Capers was MM's call anyway.

MM is a top 10 offensive mind in the NFL - and you want to throw that away now b/c it took him too long to finally organize a palace coup and get rid of the real problems - TT and dunderdummy??

That makes zero sense.

And for my money, the way it all went down - that's exactly what the transition looks like, a long overdue, successful coup. I think Capers enjoyed the protection of TT, and MM finally had enough of it and went to Murphy.

wist43: You may have it right there observing it all and MM. Lending credence to that observation we now see and MM reporting directly to The President and CEO of the Green Bay Packers Mark Murphy; rather than the New Packer GM. It could very well just be this:

Mike McCarthy not ever putting up with a 'plodder at GM' ever again; and that's clearly what former Packer GM Ted Thompson was.

TT defined the word 'frustration' and the term 'NOT on the job'.

It's a twist of analysis that would work for me and gaining some real respect for Packer HC Mike McCarthy; as in the case of viewing Ted Thompson; and God help that Man. Ted Thompson certainly has appeared (NOT well health wise) to Mae and I. We I fear will realize this as 'a TRUTH' after this Season. This time I don't want to be right but it doesn't appear like any good news and TT.

It took a long time to get there but Ted Thompson clearly wasn't the answer looking forward to the future as the GM for the Green Bay Packers.

Dom Capers !

Dom Capers was simply 'that worn out tire'.

[red]

so fat mike came out and made another chicken shit statement

even though he is the head coach, he has blamed capers for playing randall out of position. and said that if randall had not been traded, the new DC would have played him at safety where he belonged the whole time. taking all blame off himself if yet another packers DB goes on to be a star somewhere else. mike seems to be saying that he knew randall was being played out of position the whole time, but it was someone elses fault, as usual

the guy is the HEAD FUCKING COACH, if a guy is being played out of position, then YOU make the change, either with the player or the DC

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/3/27/17168920/packers-failure-maximize-damarious-randall-part-of-ugly-trend-for-green-bay

[Fritz]

I gotta go with Red's take on this. BabyMike is starting to sound more and more like my wife's fourteen-year-old grandson: it's never his fault.

[Deputy Nutz]

That's an absolutely ridiculous statement that would be as ridiculous if came out of the mouth from a high school head coach. I don't know if that was a shot at Capers or at Thompson for drafting a safety to play corner. Regardless McCarthy needs to take ownership of the situation, and some ownership of this entire team.

[Smidgeon]

That's an absolutely ridiculous statement that would be as ridiculous if came out of the mouth from a high school head coach. I don't know if that was a shot at Capers or at Thompson for drafting a safety to play corner. Regardless McCarthy needs to take ownership of the situation, and some ownership of this entire team.

I was on the fence on keeping M3, but this has devolved spectacularly. Time to go a new direction with a coach who takes responsibility. For a guy who took pride in never throwing other people under the bus, he's thrown that philosophy under the bus as well.

[Rutnstrut]

You all act like stubby's actions are a surprise. When the chips are down, he's mediocre at best. Pretty much any coach can do well when things go the right way. This season will be another of stubby floundering around, making excuses.

[pbmax]

Hold on a second. I am all for McCarthy's feet being held to the fire. He is having a grand old offseason for a coach of a 6-10 team. But his comments on Randall weren't quite this dire.

They reinforced that M3 was tired of his shtick, but they did not lay his positional problems at Capers feet.

“I think that’s his natural position. I think we all recognize that,” McCarthy said in Orlando at the NFL’s spring meeting. “Him playing as much corner for us was the best thing for our defense at the time ... Obviously, we’ve had issues outside with corners staying healthy the last two years and that’s a product of him playing out there, and he played it well when he was healthy, when he stays in the game.”

Now that is not the entire story. He did not get hybrid reps like Burnett and Jones did, at least not enough to that I noticed it in media coverage. So M3 saying they would have moved him this year is too little too late.

But it is more evidence that Thompson and Capers couldn't get on the same page personnel wise and M3 couldn't square that circle.

More troubling to me is that McCarthy did not act before he had a 6-10 season to create demand that he make moves.

Also note that this is the second time that M3 has mentioned Randall's unavailability for the last 2 games. It seems to be stuck in his craw.

[red]

Hold on a second. I am all for McCarthy's feet being held to the fire. He is having a grand old offseason for a coach of a 6-10 team. But his comments on Randall weren't quite this dire.

They reinforced that M3 was tired of his shtick, but they did not lay his positional problems at Capers feet.



Now that is not the entire story. He did not get hybrid reps like Burnett and Jones did, at least not enough to that I noticed it in media coverage. So M3 saying they would have moved him this year is too little too late.

But it is more evidence that Thompson and Capers couldn't get on the same page personnel wise and M3 couldn't square that circle.

More troubling to me is that McCarthy did not act before he had a 6-10 season to create demand that he make moves.

Also note that this is the second time that M3 has mentioned Randall's unavailability for the last 2 games. It seems to be stuck in his craw.

He’s making it sound like Randall was only playing cb because of all the injuries, which is complete BS

TT said on draft day that he would be a corner, and he played there ever since

Last preseason when Randall was not a starter, they didn’t move him to safety, they left him as a back up cb

[pbmax]

He’s making it sound like Randall was only playing cb because of all the injuries, which is complete BS

TT said on draft day that he would be a corner, and he played there ever since

Last preseason when Randall was not a starter, they didn’t move him to safety, they left him as a back up cb

Then we may finally have a case of what Nick Perry doubters have been looking for since he was drafted. And that could be the source for a lot of this move. More than attitude and McCarthy's tolerance level.

Best next question is could they have known in advance?

[hoosier]

Red's post brings up the philosophical question, who are the Green Bay Packers, really? Is it the GM? The ubiquitous owners? The president of the team? The players, who change every year? The coach?

A wise man once said, there is nothing permanent except change itself. There, I answered your question: the real Green Bay Packers is to be found in the waiver wire.

[hoosier]

I am all for McCarthy's feet being held to the fire. He is having a grand old offseason for a coach of a 6-10 team.

We wish he were the coach of a 6-10 team, because then the Packers would be drafting somewhere in the 9-12 range. 7-9.

[Joemailman]

He’s making it sound like Randall was only playing cb because of all the injuries, which is complete BS

TT said on draft day that he would be a corner, and he played there ever since

Last preseason when Randall was not a starter, they didn’t move him to safety, they left him as a back up cb

Randall was not a backup at the start of the season last year. He played on over 80% of the snap counts in 2 of the first 3 games. King barely played in week 1, and Rollins was basically benched by week 3. The Packers had HHCD and Burnett at safety, and had just drafted Jones. Randall was obviously needed more at CB than at safety.

[red]

Randall was not a backup at the start of the season last year. He played on over 80% of the snap counts in 2 of the first 3 games. King barely played in week 1, and Rollins was basically benched by week 3. The Packers had HHCD and Burnett at safety, and had just drafted Jones. Randall was obviously needed more at CB than at safety.

Training camp I think is when Randall was down the pecking order

Weren’t Rollins and gunter the starters at the opening of camp?