Randall for Kizer

[wist43]

If nickel is the new base D, then 81st best CB is in the 3rd starter tier (96 total CBs need to start)

I don't think nickel is the new base... it was Capers base, morning, noon, night, and in the afterlife; but, not for the rest of the NFL I don't think.

The Packers percentage of nickel compared to the rest of the league was way, way out of wack - at least it was a couple of years ago, don't know what the numbers were last year. Of course it got so bad that MM had to step in and force dunderdummy to play the Elephant as his base... which lasted about 3 seconds - as long as it took for him to get his vaunted 2-4 back on the field!!!

Thank God - did I say - THANK GOD - that assfuck is out of town. I've been losing sleep wondering where to direct my rage now that that shithead is gone, lol...

[pbmax]

I don't think nickel is the new base... it was Capers base, morning, noon, night, and in the afterlife; but, not for the rest of the NFL I don't think.

The Packers percentage of nickel compared to the rest of the league was way, way out of wack - at least it was a couple of years ago, don't know what the numbers were last year. Of course it got so bad that MM had to step in and force dunderdummy to play the Elephant as his base... which lasted about 3 seconds - as long as it took for him to get his vaunted 2-4 back on the field!!!
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You are not even close on this one. In 2011? Sure. Not even close the last few years.

[wist43]

You are not even close on this one. In 2011? Sure. Not even close the last few years.

Well, like I said I don't know what the percentages the last couple of years were... but, "not even close"?? Get real max... Capers default sleeping position was the 2-4. You can't deny that.

He's been ridden out of town on a rail, and you're still defending the guy, lol... Gonna start calling you Dom Max

Wait a minute - you're not actually Dom Capers are you??

[pbmax]

My hair is all my own.

2013: https://www.sbnation.com/2014/3/13/5...rs-nickel-dime

According to Pro Football Focus' game-tracking data, there were 34,661 total snaps during the 2013 season. On 45 percent of those snaps (15,697 times), teams utilized a nickel defensive personnel package, i.e. five defensive backs on the field. It's a departure from the long-standing paradigm that featured two cornerbacks and two safeties. A further 12 percent of snaps (4,034) featured a dime package, or personnel groupings with six defensive backs.

[pbmax]

CBS has a quote from MMQB with a slightly different number, but trend is the same.

Here's the thing, though: no matter which set your favorite team plays out of, you're picturing the wrong thing. That's because the nickel defense has taken over the NFL. Here, via Peter King at The MMQB, is the evidence.
The 2015 season was the seventh straight year for an increase in the number of defensive snaps in the NFL with five defensive back or more on the field. Per Pro Football Focus here is the percentage of plays in NFL games with five DBs or more on the field in every season since 2008:
2008: 43.4%
2009: 45.1%
2010: 48.8%
2011: 52.5%
2012: 54.4%
2013: 58.3%
2014: 60.3%
2015: 63.4%

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?30323-Randall-for-Kizer&p=967550#post967550

[Joemailman]

Mike Pettine after being hired by Packers:

“The 3-4/4-3 debate I think has really fallen by the wayside in recent year. Ten years ago you played base defense 700 snaps a year, and the three wide receiver set was really limited to two-minute. In recent years, that’s really flipped… Even though we call it base, it really isn’t base any more.”

[Bossman641]

According to the Football Outsiders Almanac, NFL teams ran nickel on 51 percent of defensive snaps in 2015, while six-or-more-defensive-back looks accounted for another 14 percent. Teams ran their “base” defense on just 33 percent of their snaps last year, and that number — which was 48 percent just four seasons prior — is likely to continue to shrink.

https://www.theringer.com/2016/8/26/16041366/the-era-of-positionless-football-19c06f985480

[Zool]

All lies and here say. You need to be able to run in December and you play base defense 75% of the time.

[woodbuck27]

CBS has a quote from MMQB with a slightly different number, but trend is the same.



http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...550#post967550

OK ....so the Packers need to draft speed guys now.

DB's and WR's. Speed not the plodders that Ted Thompson supplied.

[woodbuck27]

But but, he got ints?

Yep, and pretty much ever play that wasn’t an int he was either out of position, falling down, or watching his guy make a huge play.

The ints were good, the other 98% of the plays were pathetic

Did he ever get it that to defend a pass:

You needed to sometimes turn your head around while covering his man to locate the fricken ball? That rather than flapping his hands and arms like a wounded duck.

Damarious Randall was, and let's give him the benefit of the doubt here; either thick headed or horribly coached.

In ice hockey you can be the best Guy and putting the puck in the net; but if you skate with your head down and looking at the puck all the time ! Your going to get knocked out. Your going to get concussed.

Before that your Coaches will agree to give you 'the Mercy Rule' and cut your ass.

Damarious Randall needed to be coached to locate the ball, and if he failed to do so; get benched until he did. Obviously that common sense approach wasn't anything associated with playing CB and coaching in Green Bay.

[wist43]

Instead of saying 3-4, or 4-3, or nickel being base... I think the way to look at it is that "situational" is "base". Josh Jones is a hybrid guy; Jones in Atlanta; etc...

Smallish LB's, big safeties, odd fronts... I don't think there is a real base anymore - except for Capers, who a couple of years ago ran that nauseating 2-4 that max loved so much a sickeningly ineffective 80% of the time.

Max, let it go... your heroes (dunderdummy and Randall) have finally been booted out of Green Bay...

And the peasants rejoiced...

[woodbuck27]

Instead of saying 3-4, or 4-3, or nickel being base... I think the way to look at it is that "situational" is "base". Josh Jones is a hybrid guy; Jones in Atlanta; etc...

Smallish LB's, big safeties, odd fronts... I don't think there is a real base anymore - except for Capers, who a couple of years ago ran that nauseating 2-4 that max loved so much a sickeningly ineffective 80% of the time.

Max, let it go... your heroes (dunderdummy and Randall) have finally been booted out of Green Bay...

And the peasants rejoiced...

DITTO Big Time DITTO !

[Bossman641]

Instead of saying 3-4, or 4-3, or nickel being base... I think the way to look at it is that "situational" is "base". Josh Jones is a hybrid guy; Jones in Atlanta; etc...

Smallish LB's, big safeties, odd fronts... I don't think there is a real base anymore - except for Capers, who a couple of years ago ran that nauseating 2-4 that max loved so much a sickeningly ineffective 80% of the time.

Max, let it go... your heroes (dunderdummy and Randall) have finally been booted out of Green Bay...

And the peasants rejoiced...

Isnt that what people have been trying to convince you of for years while you lamented capers not playing more 3-4?

[wist43]

Isnt that what people have been trying to convince you of for years while you lamented capers not playing more 3-4?

It's situational... my complaint in running situations, was that Capers would still field his 2-4, and we'd get run over.

Beyond that, Capers misused the players he had. Given our roster, he should have been playing a 3-3. And don't get me started on abandoning the middle of the field altogether.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo glad he's gone!!!!

[mraynrand]

It's situational... my complaint in running situations, was that Capers would still field his 2-4, and we'd get run over.

Beyond that, Capers misused the players he had. Given our roster, he should have been playing a 3-3. And don't get me started on abandoning the middle of the field altogether.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo glad he's gone!!!!

Aren't you tired of this yet? When (specifically) Perry was out there, the 3-3 and 2-4 were interchangeable, depending on down and distance.