How much longer before The Packer BRASS gives us a REAL Chance for the Fifth Super Bowl?

[hoosier]

^ I feel sorry for Vince, having to live with a malformed right hand.

The hand? That's nothing!!! How the hell do you think he felt going through life with no legs?????

[pbmax]

Are the Cowboys currently in a cap hell? If they really, really wanted to sign, say, Sammy Watkins, they could've gotten him. Just gotta cook the cap.

Nowadays, with soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, the cap is a nonissue. If a pig owner doesn't want to get too fat (eat all his profits greedily), he can sign 6-7 elite free agents with ease simply by guaranteeing frogskins. Sign the elite free agents to multi-year deals with large signing bonuses. Restructure the contracts of current, still-productive players with fat cap hits by turning their fat base salaries into signing bonuses. In short, cooking the cap.

With soaring revenues and titanic TV contracts, the cap will always be inflated materially and the pig owners will always get fed.

Cap Hell: When you clear cap space by cutting players even with dead money in order to afford the other dead money on you cap.

Here’s how much the Cowboys are paying people in 2018 who aren’t even playing for them anymore:

Tony Romo: $8.9M
Dez Bryant: $8M
Cedric Thornton: $2.5M
Nolan Carroll: $2M
Benson Mayowa: $1.1M

Total = $22.5M

[mraynrand]

Total = $22.5M

you could bring in 6-7 elite FAs with that kind of cash!

[woodbuck27]

Ben Agajanian - Kicker

[woodbuck27]

Ben Agajanian and ' the wearing of the GREEN and GOLD '.

[woodbuck27]

OK Woody (or Patler or Maxi or Old but Not or somebody) here's some old time trivia that you can't Google.

The players in the above photo are (L-R) Jim Taylor, Dan Curry, (St Vince)& Hawg Hanner. For some sort of grand prize Who is the player on the far right?

That Green Bay Packer is former Kicker (1961) Ben Agajanian.

Looks like Ben Agajanian to me. Hoosier from Post #98 this Thread.

[woodbuck27]

Digging through Green Bay Packer memorabilia.

" The Old Mule Isn't What He Used To Be. " Edwin

[mraynrand]

Laces out!

[hoosier]

Apologies to all, did not mean to set Woodie off like that.

[mraynrand]

Apologies to all, did not mean to set Woodie off like that.

A good time was had by all.

[woodbuck27]

Now...here's the rest of the Ben Agajanian and Vince Lombardi and the Green Bay Packers Story:

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-daily-news-story/article-1/Lombardi-bent-NFL-rules-to-acquire-Agajanian/c5e62f4b-587a-42c8-8236-afa4b3ecb0b6

Lombardi bent NFL rules to acquire Agajanian

Agajanian served as Packers' emergency kicker en route to 1961 NFL title

Posted Feb 15, 2018

BY: Cliff Christl Packers team historian

" ...Ben Agajanian appeared in only three regular-season games for the Green Bay Packers beside kicking off in the 1961 NFL Championship Game, but Vince Lombardi wanted him badly enough that he circumvented league rules and broke with team tradition to lure him to Green Bay. ..."

For the remainder of this historic story please click on the LINK above.

[woodbuck27]

Apologies to all, did not mean to set Woodie off like that.

That's my bag. To be the detective 'the analyst' and break it all down to get the correct response.

That's why I excell...Life is a mystery and I'm thorough.

I challenge you...try to keep up with 'The Canuck'. Hahaha

[KYPack]

Well, good job by Hoosier and Woody to sniff out the mystery man. There are some extra bits of EXTREME trivia in that crazy season of 1961.

Ben Agajanian's first game for the Pack as an emergency kicker was November 19 game in GB vs Ben's hometown team, the LA Rams. Hornung was unavailable due to military commitments, back-up kicker Jerry Kramer had a bum ankle. Ben's foot is susceptible to freezing. So he took the field with a funky pair of Red and Grey electric hunting socks. Ben knew most of the Ram coached, so both teams waved the "out of uniform" NFL rule.

I was real impressed with that "Agajanian autograph", personalized, no less.

After this game, The Dallas Texans needed him for a late season game and he kicked for them. Then he kicked for the Pack again vs the Rams and in the NFL Championship game. Hornung kicked the field goals in the NFL champ game Ben just kicked off, but got the winner's check.

Hornung almost didn't get to play in the NFL Championship game. An Army captain at Ft Riley KS "pulled rank" on the Horn and wouldn't issue a weekend pass for the Golden Boy. Horn called Lombardi and filled him in. Vince told Paul to relax. In an hour of so, Paul got the Weekend pass approved. Lombardi had JFK's personal phone number in his pocket. So a junior officer in Kansas got the call of his life from the President and all he got to say was "YESSIR, right away Sir".

Sorry to jack this thread, but U boys are wasting your breath, you'll never explain the cap to Tank and he'll never understand it anyway.

[woodbuck27]

Well, good job by Hoosier and Woody to sniff out the mystery man. There are some extra bits of EXTREME trivia in that crazy season of 1961.

Ben Agajanian's first game for the Pack as an emergency kicker was November 19 game in GB vs Ben's hometown team, the LA Rams. Hornung was unavailable due to military commitments, back-up kicker Jerry Kramer had a bum ankle. Ben's foot is susceptible to freezing. So he took the field with a funky pair of Red and Grey electric hunting socks. Ben knew most of the Ram coached, so both teams waved the "out of uniform" NFL rule.

I was real impressed with that "Agajanian autograph", personalized, no less.

After this game, The Dallas Texans needed him for a late season game and he kicked for them. Then he kicked for the Pack again vs the Rams and in the NFL Championship game. Hornung kicked the field goals in the NFL champ game Ben just kicked off, but got the winner's check.

Hornung almost didn't get to play in the NFL Championship game. An Army captain at Ft Riley KS "pulled rank" on the Horn and wouldn't issue a weekend pass for the Golden Boy. Horn called Lombardi and filled him in. Vince told Paul to relax. In an hour of so, Paul got the Weekend pass approved. Lombardi had JFK's personal phone number in his pocket. So a junior officer in Kansas got the call of his life from the President and all he got to say was "YESSIR, right away Sir".

Sorry to jack this thread, but U boys are wasting your breath, you'll never explain the cap to Tank and he'll never understand it anyway.

Thanks for another Classic KYPack Post.

If Hoosier hadn't seen this thread and your query I would have pulled my best 'Harry Bosch' act and nailed it.

Right off there were three things I saw:

1. The three other Packers and when did all three play together?

2. The Mystery man was dark skinned complected but not BLACK. There weren't many Blacks on the early 1960's Packers.

3. The Mystery Man was wearing a helmet with 'no Face Guard ' attached. (Kicker !?)

4. They weren't celebrating a huge first down ! This had to be after a huge game (so maybe? a Championship) but wasn't going to help given who the Packers were in the 1960's .. this was the 1960's Green Bay Packers when I cut my teeth as a Packer fan. This was a Team with one of the Greatest Defences All Time and with a whack of future NFL HOFers.

Posters here at Packerrats today wonder about my positions today and this is the key to understanding my expectations.

Posters may actually wonder if 'in fact' I'm actually a Green Bay Packer fan!? I can assure anyone here I am. I'm simply very concerned about the Nob Heads that I deem the Packer BRASS blowing it again and another HOFer QB after Favre we have Aaron Rodgers and I see 'the same Ole same Ole - frozen nuts' attitude, to doing what it takes to win another Lombardi. Jaysus I bet someone has to put Mike McCarthy's hat 'on his head', after he finds it.

That man is useless as 'tit's on a bull'. My Grandfather might say " he couldn't blow powder in Hell". I'm not a Mike McCarthy fan. It doesn't matter what we doing this Off Season as long as the Packers have MM as the HC.

5. I started looking at the 1960-62 Packer Rosters. I looked at Packer Team photo's and blew them up to 500% and zippo natta...it wasn't happening. The Mystery Man became 'a Real Mystery' and simply a better challenge for me. I was loving it. Grab a beer.

6. I began to drink ! One - two - three Canadian beers. Equivalent to a case of your 'water beer' Yahoo !

What was I missing? I'm a determined MFer.

Here is the real deal. Your Post started off an interesting journey for me KYPack and an enlightening story of significant Green Bay Packer History became the result.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Cap Hell: When you clear cap space by cutting players even with dead money in order to afford the other dead money on you cap.

Here’s how much the Cowboys are paying people in 2018 who aren’t even playing for them anymore:

Tony Romo: $8.9M
Dez Bryant: $8M
Cedric Thornton: $2.5M
Nolan Carroll: $2M
Benson Mayowa: $1.1M

Total = $22.5M

That's an erroneous definition of cap hell. "Dead money" is just an accounting item. Dead money doesn't cost the pig owner anymore money than what he has already paid a player. Jones doesn't owe Romo $8.9 M. Cooking the cap makes dead money irrelevant.

The true definition of cap hell: Hellish hole where a team has NO choice but to waive players after players with titanic salaries for rookies and cheaply-paid vets of NFL wars for multiple seasons.

The Cowboys didn't have to cut Dez and Romo. Cowboys opted to cut the two of them b/c the pig owner didn't want them eating away some of his profits.

Furthermore, cap hell certainly ain't being $10 M over the new cap 2 days before the new league year, cutting Wahle and Sharper to get to $7 M below on the new league year, hibernating in a closet the rest of the season, and somehow being at $30 M below at the start of the very next league year.