Official Day 2 (Rounds 2&3) Of The 2018 NFL Draft Thread

[woodbuck27]

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/OLB?college=allColleges&page=1&status=ALL

Orin Burks becomes a Green Bay Packer Picked in Rd. 3 and NO. 88 Overall. He was the 7th OLB off the Board.



1.Rashaan Evans
ALABAMA
Rnd 1, Pick 22 OLB Tennessee Titans Senior 6.10

2. Darius Leonard
SOUTH CAROLINA ST.
Rnd 2, Pick 4 OLB Indianapolis Colts Senior 5.81

3. Jerome Baker
OHIO ST.
Rnd 3, Pick 9 OLB Miami Dolphins Junior 5.65

4. Fred Warner
BYU
Rnd 3, Pick 6 OLB San Francisco 49ers Senior 5.64

5. Malik Jefferson
TEXAS
Rnd 3, Pick 14 OLB Cincinnati Bengals Junior 5.57

6. Dorian O'daniel
CLEMSON
Rnd 3, Pick 36 OLB Kansas City Chiefs Senior 5.50

7. Oren Burks
VANDERBILT
Rnd 3, Pick 24 OLB Green Bay Packers r-Senior 5.46

Shaquem Griffin
CENTRAL FLORIDA
- OLB - r-Senior 5.43

Skai Moore
SOUTH CAROLINA
- OLB - Senior 5.24

Matthew Thomas
FLORIDA ST.
- OLB - r-Senior 5.16

[texaspackerbacker]

What about Chubb, Davenport, Edmunds, and Landry? They're not considered OLBs? I'd certainly say they are.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I know, I just meant there is no way he tests better than Smith. But then I look and see that Smith skipped most of the combine drills, so I guess that makes a little more sense then.

Smith is spooky in every way. He is going to be a great player I believe.

Why not? Smith had a 33 1/2" vertical and 9'9" broad jump at his Pro Day. Burks had a 39 1/2" vertical and 10'11" broad jump. Burks had the second best shuttle and third best 3 cone among all LBs. As an overall athlete, Burks measured the best among all LBs. I can guarantee you that he would have beat Smith as an overall athlete because his margin over Smith in the shuttle and 3-cone would have been impossible for Smith to overcome with the two other drills included.

On the modified Spark scale that I use which I got from a Seahawks forum, Dorian O'Daniel had the best speed rating (40, shuttle, 3-cone), but had a below average explosiveness rating (vertical, broad jump). Burks was second in speed rating. Matthew Thomas had the best explosiveness rating. Burks was second best in explosiveness rating. Thomas and Burks tied for best overall athletes at LB. In fact, his modified Sparq score ranked tied (with Thomas) for second to Vic Beasley among LBs in the 2015, 2016, and 2018 drafts. (I didn't keep track of the measurables in 2017 because life was too busy.) If Burks was a safety, he would have still had elite testing scores. Only three safeties beat him as an overall athlete.

Burks and Thomas measured 84 as overall athletes in 2018, tying for the best. Leighton Vander Esch's was third at 80.
In 2016 that number would have ranked #1. Darron Lee led LBs with an 81 that year. No other LB was over 79.
In 2015 that number would have ranked #2. Vic Beasley led LBs with an 85 that year. No other LB was over 79.

There's no doubt the guy is an incredible athlete. The tape is another story. Smith has the tape. This guy needs to be coached up.

[beveaux1]

Why not? Smith had a 33 1/2" vertical and 9'9" broad jump at his Pro Day. Burks had a 39 1/2" vertical and 10'11" broad jump. Burks had the second best shuttle and third best 3 cone among all LBs. As an overall athlete, Burks measured the best among all LBs. I can guarantee you that he would have beat Smith as an overall athlete because his margin over Smith in the shuttle and 3-cone would have been impossible for Smith to overcome with the two other drills included.

On the modified Spark scale that I use which I got from a Seahawks forum, Dorian O'Daniel had the best speed rating (40, shuttle, 3-cone), but had a below average explosiveness rating (vertical, broad jump). Burks was second in speed rating. Matthew Thomas had the best explosiveness rating. Burks was second best in explosiveness rating. Thomas and Burks tied for best overall athletes at LB. In fact, his modified Sparq score ranked tied (with Thomas) for second to Vic Beasley among LBs in the 2015, 2016, and 2018 drafts. (I didn't keep track of the measurables in 2017 because life was too busy.) If Burks was a safety, he would have still had elite testing scores. Only three safeties beat him as an overall athlete.

Burks and Thomas measured 84 as overall athletes in 2018, tying for the best. Leighton Vander Esch's was third at 80.
In 2016 that number would have ranked #1. Darron Lee led LBs with an 81 that year. No other LB was over 79.
In 2015 that number would have ranked #2. Vic Beasley led LBs with an 85 that year. No other LB was over 79.

There's no doubt the guy is an incredible athlete. The tape is another story. Smith has the tape. This guy needs to be coached up.

Thanks for the analysis. He really is a gifted athlete if he can make the transition to the NFL.

[denverYooper]

I know, I just meant there is no way he tests better than Smith. But then I look and see that Smith skipped most of the combine drills, so I guess that makes a little more sense then.

Smith is spooky in every way. He is going to be a great player I believe.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I've read scouting profiles about the guys we drafted and the one thing they have in common is poor tackling skills. Jackson especially. In 2017 Alexander was more timid than usual because of injury, but Jackson was rapped for his lack of willingness to mix it up. And as people have commented here, Burks' tackling is unimpressive. IMO the Packers were one of the worst tackling defenses in the NFL. So Whitt has his work cut out. As I recall Tremontana was a pretty fair tackler for a CB so maybe some of that will rub off.

All that said, I think we dealt with our porous pass defense. I wanted to deal with it from the front end by getting pass rushing big guys. Gute/Pettine apparently figured the best way to improve was to draft quality on the back end.

We'll see. Without a doubt Jackson has the best ball skills of any CB in the draft. And Alexander seems like a starter. Burks? We'll see about him.

By the way, all of these guys had SPARQ scores through the roof, so all three are right there in the top percentile of the best athletes in the NFL:

Josh Jackson 93.9% NFL percentile (Overall #6 -- 2nd only to Ward [98.8% NFL] among big name CB prospects)

Jaire Alexander 91.9% NFL percentile (Overall #8 -- 3rd among big name CB prospects)

Oren Burks 94.9% NFL percentile (Overall #3 -- Just below Vander Esch who checked in at 97.3%)

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walterfootball.com gave us an A+ for the josh jackson pick and a B+ for the bruks pick

Green Bay Packers: Joshua Jackson, CB, Iowa A+ Grade
Holy hell, I forgot Joshua Jackson was still available. How in the world did he fall this far? Jackson is a player who could've gone No. 14 overall to the Packers, and I would've been fine with it. Some people whose opinion I respect think Jackson should've been in the conversation as the top cornerback in this entire class. Jackson is tall and instinctive and in the mold of Aqib Talib, and he should be an instant upgrade in Green Bay's atrocious secondary.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgr...#ixzz5DyZQ6onQ

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgr...VkthfJTkQI6.99

Green Bay Packers: Oren Burks, LB, Vanderbilt B+ Grade
Oren Burks is a solid pick in the middle of the third round. He's an athletic linebacker with nice instincts, and he could eventually become a starter for the Packers, who desperately needed some inside linebacker help.


Read more: http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgr...#ixzz5DyZXWrol

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgr...OwDjHVfbDc0.99

[Maxie the Taxi]

Walter Football also had ESB from Notre Dame as the #6 ranked WR in the draft. All these scouting sites... How many really know?

Edit: Sorry, they had him at #6. That's ahead of Gallup, Pettis, Washington, Miller, Smith...

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Walter Football also had ESB from Notre Dame as the #6 ranked WR in the draft. All these scouting sites... How many really know?

Edit: Sorry, they had him at #6. That's ahead of Gallup, Pettis, Washington, Miller, Smith...

i highly doubt any of these site watch every single snap of every single player in the draft

most of those site are based on each other

one guy will write somewhere that the guy can play, or can't. a guy from another site reads that, then he writes that the guy can play, then the next guy does the same. pretty soon you have a consensus that everyone says the guy can or can't play. all based of one guy who may or may not know what he's talking about

i think about 99% of draft sites work that way

add that to the fact that the experts and teams can't even evaluate the guys right, and you pretty much just have an entertaining crap shoot for our amusement

[mraynrand]

most of those site are based on each other

one guy will right somewhere that the guy can play, or can't. a guy from another site reads that, then he rights that the guy can play, then the next guy does the same. pretty soon you have a consensus that everyone says the guy can or can't play. all based of one guy who may or may not know what he's talking about

i think about 99% of draft sites work that way

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