Official 2019 Draft Thread

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Holy Jeebus.

Chase Goodbread @ChaseGoodbread
CB Lonnie Johnson of Kentucky said the #Seahawks put him in a staring contest lasting "15, 16 seconds" during his formal interview with them. Said he won. Couldn't recall the name of who he went against.
#NFLCombine

Someone once said the NFL is a multi-billion dollar business run by dopes. They were being unkind to dopes.

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If anything it makes me think they're giving him strong consideration.

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If they kept numbers on this, and I almost guarantee they don't, I would bet it tells them nothing. But they think a certain kind of reaction is definitive.

i think the whole damn combine is a giant waste

are they any better at drafting guys now then they were 30 years ago? theres still guys taken at the top of the first that bust out and guys drafted in late rounds that become all pros

i watched about 5 minutes today, listening to the announcers talk about hip socket rotation and all that shit. it doesn't fucking matter, none of it does. every year they come up with some big new way to judge a guy, and it turns out to not mean a damn thing in the end

[wist43]

Where’s the college production? He’s not Julio Jones or Cal Johnson. Pass.

Montez Sweat is gonna go #4. #2 is Bosa. #3 is Rashan Gary. Hopefully somebody gets needy and trades up for a QB and DK go top 12. Sounds like Polite bombed interviews so he’s in a free fall. Brian Burns sounds good on paper. Montez Sweat’s numbers are spooky as was his senior bowl. How was his college production?

Watching the combine today, Sweat killed it. Bosa looked pretty avg, so did Gary.

Burns looked very fluid, very athletic.

White ran a 4.41... looked very good.

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Holy Jeebus.

Chase Goodbread @ChaseGoodbread
CB Lonnie Johnson of Kentucky said the #Seahawks put him in a staring contest lasting "15, 16 seconds" during his formal interview with them. Said he won. Couldn't recall the name of who he went against.
#NFLCombine

Someone once said the NFL is a multi-billion dollar business run by dopes. They were being unkind to dopes.

thats why i laugh when people tell me or some of the rest of us that we can't possibly know as much as the guys running things

[call_me_ishmael]

Combine is hugely important. Of course people are better at drafting today than thirty years ago. Advanced metrics rule the day and you can derive a lot from numbers + interview

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Combine is hugely important. Of course people are better at drafting today than thirty years ago. Advanced metrics rule the day and you can derive a lot from numbers + interview

You should be able to derive a lot from numbers and interviews. But the tidbits that leak out (the bad - which leaks first and the good - which happen after the player is established) don't really lend themselves to the idea that this is designed to be purposeful other than to try to provoke an emotional reaction.

John Dorsey specialized in these kinds of questions and I have never read anything about him that indicated he was following a program or strategy to do anything other than piss someone off. Its the interview equivalent of the Krumerie workout at Wisconsins Pro Day. He is trying to piss the player off by slapping his head and see what he does in reaction.

Belichick at least tries to find out if the kid lives 100% of the time for football.

I doubt they are better now than 20-30 years ago. The big uptick happened in the late 60s and early 70s, when teams finally had enough scouts to actually go find players everywhere. In large part because the Steelers were one of the few scouting HBCUs. Before that they used to scout out of newspapers. Cowboys inspired a huge jump away from that.

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 4

Brian Burns Edge, Florida St.
Films: Virginia Tech, Miami

First Take: He rushes better out of a 4 point or 3 point stance than when he is in a two point. Looks hesitant in a two point stance. He has a really good first step and can beat college tackles based on his get off. He uses his hands well, and he has a good bend when he is trying to cut the corner. If I was drafting him for a 3-4 defense I am not exactly sure how he would fit. His lower body is skinny. Like most of these edge rushers he tends to peak in the backfield instead of recognizing the block of the tackle. He has a good motor and will chase from the backside with decent pursuit. When he gets stoned out of the block he has a hard time going to a secondary move or bull rushing the tackle. Seems like he has a plan before the snap and when it doesn't work he loses. If he gets stronger in the lower half of his body he might improve. Its not always about the initial move to get pressure but when the offensive lineman gets in good position its how the edge rusher works to still get after the QB.

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Day 4

Brian Burns Edge, Florida St.
Films: Virginia Tech, Miami

First Take: He rushes better out of a 4 point or 3 point stance than when he is in a two point. Looks hesitant in a two point stance. He has a really good first step and can beat college tackles based on his get off. He uses his hands well, and he has a good bend when he is trying to cut the corner. If I was drafting him for a 3-4 defense I am not exactly sure how he would fit. His lower body is skinny. Like most of these edge rushers he tends to peak in the backfield instead of recognizing the block of the tackle. He has a good motor and will chase from the backside with decent pursuit. When he gets stoned out of the block he has a hard time going to a secondary move or bull rushing the tackle. Seems like he has a plan before the snap and when it doesn't work he loses. If he gets stronger in the lower half of his body he might improve. Its not always about the initial move to get pressure but when the offensive lineman gets in good position its how the edge rusher works to still get after the QB.

I agree about the importance of the second move.

Not particularly about Burns, but would you rather have a player with counters and a less strong first move, or a guy with one monster technique?

I kinda think the first player will be more effective in the long run yet, as always, the toughest part is the projection of improvement.

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Nutz, can you post the links to the game film you are watching?

[Deputy Nutz]

Day 4

Devin Bush LB, Michigan
Films: Notre Dame, Penn St.
First Take: He is thick. At 5'11" he has the right build for an ILB or WLB in a 4-3. Now that his combine numbers are out, you can see that his speed does translate to the field. He looks good in coverage against RB out of the backfield and understands his zone principles pretty well. He is a decent blitzer especially when he comes off the edge in a disguised blitz scheme. When he comes up the middle I would like to see him use his hands more and become a pass rusher instead of just running into blockers. Bush could play all three downs in the NFL. I think the NFL run game will be easier for him than the college game which is big on the zone read scheme. My opinion an NFL team will draft him to be a starter day 1 of camp.
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I can, otherwise just youtube the players name and then "VS" after it. A bunch of games will come up for those players. They will be highlighted every play.

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree about the importance of the second move.

Not particularly about Burns, but would you rather have a player with counters and a less strong first move, or a guy with one monster technique?

I kinda think the first player will be more effective in the long run yet, as always, the toughest part is the projection of improvement.

One monster move in the NFL won't cut it. Speed rushes won't cut it. A good example is Clay Matthews. I bag on the guy every chance I get, but he does have a quick burst off the snap and a number of his sacks usually come from getting the offensive lineman on his heels. Clay never improved his hands. And when I say hands it means being able to keep your hands active and keep your feet moving towards the QB. A lot of guys I watch do all this hand work against coaches but I never see their feet moving. Pass rusher have to keep the offensive linemen in a state of panic. They have to be guessing, is he going to bull rush, dip to the outside, cut inside? All rushers do these moves, but it is the technique and sets ups that give offensive linemen fits.

Its a chess game, and lets face it a good pass rusher loses at least 75% of the battles. If a guy got ten pressures on 40 pass attempts that would be an outstanding day for that defensive player.

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One monster move in the NFL won't cut it. Speed rushes won't cut it. A good example is Clay Matthews. I bag on the guy every chance I get, but he does have a quick burst off the snap and a number of his sacks usually come from getting the offensive lineman on his heels. Clay never improved his hands. And when I say hands it means being able to keep your hands active and keep your feet moving towards the QB. A lot of guys I watch do all this hand work against coaches but I never see their feet moving. Pass rusher have to keep the offensive linemen in a state of panic. They have to be guessing, is he going to bull rush, dip to the outside, cut inside? All rushers do these moves, but it is the technique and sets ups that give offensive linemen fits.

Its a chess game, and lets face it a good pass rusher loses at least 75% of the battles. If a guy got ten pressures on 40 pass attempts that would be an outstanding day for that defensive player.

Neither Perry nor Matthews have great hands in pass rush. Perry has heavy hands and his bull rush (when healthy) is admirable, but he doesn't get off it quickly.

Matthews had a better bull rush than his body type should allow, but same situation. He only gets free if the QB has to move and Matthews can surprise the tackle.

If the Packers had one guy who constantly forced the QB to adjust his drop, Perry and Matthews would be double digit sacks again on secondary cleanup*. But they don't have that guy anywhere. Daniels and Clark are to infrequently getting that kind of penetration. I was hoping Muhammed would do it, but his days as a feared pass rush are probably gone.


*This is where a speed outside guy can help. If Melvin Ingram or Bosa beat the tackle wide and can force the QB to step up, it gets three other rushers closer to him and puts their blockers in jeopardy.

[bobblehead]

What Ole Miss player has lived up to the hype in recent years? Steroids and booster's paying big bucks for players gives me pause.

Not that everyone isn't doing it, but c'mon, that dude is as doped up as can be to look like that. Plus his three cone was garbage so that gives me pause too. The good news is with Murray and this dude shooting up boards is it means we're gonna have two more good players for to us.

Just a theory, but it could be HgH used to help him heal from his neck injury. I'm not terrified of that. But my how things change, from TT is a fucking moron for drafting Harrell to hey, how about a guy who might go the route of Nick Collins at #12!!!