Official 2019 Draft Thread

[Fritz]

MANY have GB getting the Iowa TE at pick 12; IMO that would be crazy.

If they picked him over Oliver I think I'd throw up on myself

Uh oh. I totally agree, Bretsky, and the last time we totally agreed on something, that something was utter crap (Odell Thurman, remember?)

So I, too, will puke up on myself if Oliver is there and they take Hockenson. But does that mean that Hockenson will be great because you and I agree it's a bad pick at #12 when you could've had Oliver, or does it mean that because you and I like Oliver he will be a lousy player, especially if the Packers draft him?

The Curse of Odell Thurman can be a little confusing.

[pbmax]

So Bubba Franks all over again is the feeling?

[Smidgeon]

I worry about the undersizedness of Oliver. I don't know if it's founded, but I don't want another Jamaal "Too Small" occurring.

[Fritz]

I don't think they're the same guy at all. From what I can get, and what I remember, Jamaal Reynolds was strictly a speed rusher. He was not physical, at all. Oliver is physical, and quick.

Don't worry, the car salesman said reassuringly.

[Joemailman]

I worry about the undersizedness of Oliver. I don't know if it's founded, but I don't want another Jamaal "Too Small" occurring.

While he generally plays with good leverage due to his low center of gravity and hand technique, Donald occasionally struggles to hold his ground at the point of attack. To occupy gaps and anchor against the run at the next level, size is typically a critical prerequisite. At 285 pounds with a maxed out frame, he lacks the mass many teams value in the trenches. Occasionally, these limitations show on tape, as he can be engulfed by longer blockers and simply overpowered at times.

From a scouting report on Aaron Donald.

[Fritz]

I am officially hoping it's Ed Oliver.

Though I base this solely on what others have said.

And I will angrily disagree with anyone who says he's not the best pick for the Packers if he's there at #12. I will fall into depression if he's there and they don't draft him.

I am a true fan.

[Joemailman]

This Reuter thing seems pretty stupid. It kinda typifies the out of touch and disrespectful attitude that media and outsiders often have. How could the idiot think we go 4 rounds without an ILB?

I'm fairly sure Gutekunst will bring in a lot better group than that.

There may be fewer than 10 ILB's in this draft good enough to be drafted in the 1st 4 rounds. So with 32 teams drafting it certainly could happen. Especially if you get a round where there is a run on ILB's.

[Fritz]

While I think Devin Bush will be a good pro, maybe very good, he does have a lot to learn. He's too aggressive, prone to dumb penalties, prone to guessing wrong. I think of him as a second-round kind of guy, but I see people have him going in the first. Interesting.

[bobblehead]

MANY have GB getting the Iowa TE at pick 12; IMO that would be crazy.

If they picked him over Oliver I think I'd throw up on myself

I was pissed we traded down with Derwin James on the board last year and we hurt at S all season. Ed Oliver is my Derwin this year. Better take him if he is there.

[RashanGary]

If Aaron Donald wasn’t the best defensive tackle to come out in years, teams might pass on Oliver. But with Donald in everyone’s mind as the comparison for Oliver, i highly highly doubt he’ll make it to is. I watched his tape. He’s quick and powerful. Test numbers backed it up. I’m 90% sure he’s gone.

[RashanGary]

The worst part about Oliver is that his tape shows him throwing mother fuckers around and roasting them with quickness too. Then dude showed up and jumped 36”, showing ridiculous power for a 290 pound guy. I was hoping his 40 would suck but he showed up and ran a 4.75 with a 3-cone and shuttle closer to a WR than a DL. Fuck, dude is a freak. His tape didn’t lie. Nutz said just on tape, Oliver was better than Williams. I think Nutz is probably right and Oliver is gonna be one of the surprise top 5 picks in a couple weeks. Unfortunately.

[bobblehead]

The worst part about Oliver is that his tape shows him throwing mother fuckers around and roasting them with quickness too. Then dude showed up and jumped 36”, showing ridiculous power for a 290 pound guy. I was hoping his 40 would suck but he showed up and ran a 4.75 with a 3-cone and shuttle closer to a WR than a DL. Fuck, dude is a freak. His tape didn’t lie. Nutz said just on tape, Oliver was better than Williams. I think Nutz is probably right and Oliver is gonna be one of the surprise top 5 picks in a couple weeks. Unfortunately.

I agree. Mock drafts are mockable. If I were betting, both sweat and oliver go top 6. Josh Allen slips past 6. A guy like Christian Wilkins could end up being our pick at 12 and everyone will be pissed until he plays. Then everyone pretends they knew how good he was all along.

If I had to pick 2 guys I like that are likely to slide past 15 it would be Burns and Dillard. Lets make it 3 and add Risner. I don't like the "top 2" tackles this year. Another guy who sneaks into the first (maybe to us at 30) is Nasir Adderly. Kid has a nice skill set. Hard to project because he played against less competition, but he really fits my mold of a S.

[pbmax]

Hold the phone. I thought tape showed Oliver getting moved in the run game, having trouble holding the point of attack.

Is this just dissembling?

[run pMc]

I think Oliver will be gone, but if he's there at 12 you take him. He can back up Daniels for a year and play sub packages. Don't think it will happen though. Unless people get stupid with overdrafting QBs, he looks like a Top 10 pick to me.

[Deputy Nutz]

Mike Renner @PFF_Mike

Defenders with <= 4.65 40s and <=7.0 3-cones weighing >250 pounds at combine this century:

Chase Winovich
Montez Sweat
Harold Landry
Leighton Vander Esch
Jordan Willis
Justin Houston
Jerry Hughes
Jason Worilds
Connor Barwin
Cliff Avril
Mark Anderson
DeMarcus Ware
Brian Urlacher

I like film on pass rushers better than the combine numbers. Guys like Sweat and Burns their film doesn't lie, while I think Combine numbers don't tell the entire truth. Sweat and Burns have worked their way into the conversation into the top 15 of the draft. Honestly, if Ted Thompson was running this draft He would pass up production for combine numbers. Polite would be a slight reach at the end of the first round based on his production in college. He had a bad combine both physically and emotionally and those throw red flags all over, but what that tells me is that he will probably go in this draft where he belongs some where between 30-50. Edit: I didn't see his post combine workouts. That guy tanked faster than the Titanic!

Ferrell's forty time throws some red flags, but his tape doesn't lie. Great hips, really good hand usage, and can rush the passers with several different options. He is a prototypical edge rusher, but maybe not in a 3-4 base.

My suggestion for all of you is to not listen to the mock drafts about pass rushers and watch some youtube on them and decide who is the best fit or best rusher.