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  • Day 12

    Christian Wilkins DL, Clemson
    Films: Tesas A&M, Alabama



    First Take: He has the weight you would like to see from a 3 technique tackle. He is a little short and his arms are short as well. I usually don't care about that but he doesn't get a lot of extension with his arms. The biggest concern I have for him especially in comparison to the other top interior linemen in this draft is that he really struggles to disengage from blocks. He does not work hard enough to clean the offensive lineman's hands off of him. Combine that with his average take off at the snap, and William's habit at getting tall at the snap there is a few concerns. For a big bodied guy Williams needs to get stronger, and I am talking functional strength. The guy looks stiff, and lacks explosion. He doesn't lose his gap responsibility often, he can anchor a little bit. When he does fire off the ball and has a move ready like a swim move or a post and rip move he tends to be more successful. Both films are against good offensive lines, and I think Wilkins can be a starter early in his NFL career, but he needs to work in the weight room on his flexibility and his explosion reps. He has to get quicker with his hands and feet. He might go on day 1 in the draft, I think that it is a little early for him, he is more of a mid second round talent at this point.

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    • Nutz, I watched the full game tape on Ferrell you posted. A few things I noticed

      He played really hard and never seemed to give yo his assignment, like you said
      He was consistently powerful with his hands
      He showed just enough speed to threaten the edge
      He mixed in an array of pass rush moves that work
      He got consistent pressure
      He seemed smart and has his head in the game

      He doesn’t seem overly quick/fast or overly powerful. He’s a good blend. I don’t know if he’s a superstar, but I can definitely see a cross between Preston and zadaruus Smith. I think he’s a very safe defensive player. Because of position, he’s probably just worth that no 12 pick.

      A part of me wants someone a little flashier. Oliver seems to have a consistency and safeness to him, plus an OMG! Holy fuck quality on top of it. Of the guys who seem to be dropping, Oliver is my guy this year so far. And Jonah Williams 2nd. And then White and Ferrell 3rd. White because he reminds me of Willis and Ferrell because I think he’s such a safe bet to be really good at a premium position.
      Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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      • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
        Quinnen Williams available at 12? Did he fail a drug test or hit his woman?
        Right !? Someone on the Packers staff will pull a hammy running the pick up to the podium if this happens.

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        • I've moved both Oliver and Burns ahead of White... still thinking about Bush at 30 - like I said, I like other position players in that area that are just as good, and we have more need.
          wist

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          • Originally posted by wist43 View Post
            I've moved both Oliver and Burns ahead of White... still thinking about Bush at 30 - like I said, I like other position players in that area that are just as good, and we have more need.
            So, everybody okay with Gutey picking a guy (Oliver) at 12 even though he missed last 4 games with a knee injury?
            I can't run no more
            With that lawless crowd
            While the killers in high places
            Say their prayers out loud
            But they've summoned, they've summoned up
            A thundercloud
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            • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
              So, everybody okay with Gutey picking a guy (Oliver) at 12 even though he missed last 4 games with a knee injury?
              I haven't looked into injuries... haven't seen anything that says he's damaged goods.

              MBrown with the foot is a bit concerning. Those tend linger and reoccur... I have the same problem - hurts like hell.
              wist

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              • I don't know if you could go wrong with the selection of Ed Oliver, but if you expect him to play 70 snaps and be productive then I think your expectations are too high. I think Williams possibly gives you production throughout the entire game.

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                • Originally posted by wist43 View Post
                  I haven't looked into injuries... haven't seen anything that says he's damaged goods.

                  MBrown with the foot is a bit concerning. Those tend linger and reoccur... I have the same problem - hurts like hell.
                  I don't know. Everyone hammered TT for taking a guy who ruptured a bicep because his career ended in a back injury. Apparently even a fluke thing like a ruptured bicep should disqualify a guy as a first round pick according to many here.
                  The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                  • Originally posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
                    I don't know if you could go wrong with the selection of Ed Oliver, but if you expect him to play 70 snaps and be productive then I think your expectations are too high. I think Williams possibly gives you production throughout the entire game.
                    Assume you mean Jonah? I agree. He locks down one of the tackles. Bak likely has another contract left. You pick Jonah and your OT is set for 7 years. You even get to groom rodgers replacement with your future OTs on the roster.
                    The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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                    • No not Jonah. I was talking about Quinnen Williams. Sorry.

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                      • Originally posted by bobblehead View Post
                        Assume you mean Jonah? I agree. He locks down one of the tackles. Bak likely has another contract left. You pick Jonah and your OT is set for 7 years. You even get to groom rodgers replacement with your future OTs on the roster.
                        Recent history has not been kind to the Pack when it comes to picking OT in the 1st round. Curse of Tony M. Michels did nothing but milk the Pack til he saved up enough for med school. Verbra was just a guy. Sherry was an abomination. Bulaga is a miklsop.

                        Bal was a 4th rounder. Clift, a 2nd. Taush, a 6th. The awesome Kevin Berry was undrafted.

                        Refuse to heed history, the mistake repeats. In other words, don’t draft a fat guy til at least the 4th round.

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                        • Originally posted by Joemailman View Post
                          So, everybody okay with Gutey picking a guy (Oliver) at 12 even though he missed last 4 games with a knee injury?
                          Well, it depends. If he is healthy for GB and plays great, I don't mind. But if he gets hurt - even if the injury is entirely unrelated to the college injury - I will blame Gute for picking injury-prone players.

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                          KYPack

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                          • I am all for trading down 5-10 slots. We need to fill a lot of holes with numerous picks and additional depth.

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                            • Originally posted by Anti-Polar Bear View Post
                              Recent history has not been kind to the Pack when it comes to picking OT in the 1st round. Curse of Tony M. Michels did nothing but milk the Pack til he saved up enough for med school. Verbra was just a guy. Sherry was an abomination. Bulaga is a miklsop.

                              Bal was a 4th rounder. Clift, a 2nd. Taush, a 6th. The awesome Kevin Berry was undrafted.

                              Refuse to heed history, the mistake repeats. In other words, don’t draft a fat guy til at least the 4th round.

                              Verba was solid
                              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                              • Bulaga is a very very good player when he plays
                                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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