Official 2019 Draft Thread

[pbmax]

"Value pick" - now there's a term I can't stand. I think it's a term made up by people like Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock to rationalize why the guy they mocked #15 overall didn't go until the end of the second round.

Exactly, we’ll said

Problem is that you don't really know its a value until you see him on the team. Jackson at one point may be a starter and great contributor, and I'd be happy to call that a value pick.

But BPA also fits that description. Mostly, the team has to be sure it has a plan for the guy and is willing to make him succeed. I am not sure we saw that with Jackson last year. We'll see, he was just a rookie.

[wist43]

EDIT: this was in the wrong thread initially.

Polite: Is this impressive or desperate?

https://twitter.com/Sami_Thalji/stat...53328386887680

Watching the clip... what's ur point??

And when are u going to get a new avatar?? Child molester creepy!!

[Joemailman]

Combine News:

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Mississippi State DT Jeffery Simmons – a potential top-10 pick – and Colorado State WR Preston Williams have been informed they won’t be invited to the scouting combine because they don't meet the criteria under the NFL's policy about past issues involving violence, sources say.

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero
Simmons was arrested in 2016 after a physical altercation with a woman. Williams was arrested in 2017 for an altercation involving a woman. They are the only two known to be barred under this year, sources say, but invitations have been rescinded in past after background checks.


Dear Commissioner PR, this kind of message, which is just a form of PR stunt, doesn't help. It doesn't deter. It only incentivizes hiding crimes.

Simmons' situation just got much worse. He tore his ACL in a workout.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ffers-torn-acl

Projected first-round Mississippi State defensive tackle Jeffery Simmons suffered a brutal workout injury.

NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Tuesday that Simmons tore his ACL doing a routine drill during a workout, per a source informed of the situation. The DT will undergo surgery.


Simmons was barred from attending the NFL Scouting Combine stemming from a 2016 arrest after a physical altercation with a woman. Simmons was charged with simple assault and disturbing the peace and pleaded no contest.

The 21-year-old racked up 157 tackles, seven sacks, four forced fumbles and six passes defended in three seasons at Mississippi State and was projected as a top-10 pick by some draft analysts earlier this offseason.

[wist43]

Cody Ford looks like a pretty good player...

12) White/Polite
30) Ford
44) Marquis Brown

Would be pretty happy with that haul.

[Smidgeon]

As I start reading through mock drafts, I often see EDGE/TE combo with GB's first round picks. I can't tell the difference between Clelin Ferrell and Colin Farrell (well, I can, but you get the point), so which EDGE GB gets is largely irrelevant to me at this point.

But whenever I see GB not get a TE with the Saints pick and he ends up going to the Patriots at 32, I cringe. My wishlist this year is one of the two Iowa TEs. I don't know which one is better, but that's who I want with the second pick.

[call_me_ishmael]

If the scouts and analysts are right, Hockenson won't be available at 30 and might not be available at 12.

[Smidgeon]

If the scouts and analysts are right, Hockenson won't be available at 30 and might not be available at 12.

Of the mocks I've read over the last two weeks, only about 1/8 has him gone before 12. Maybe 1/2 of them have him gone before 30 though.

[wist43]

I'd be okay with Fant at 30, but would prefer OT Ford, or Burns if we get White at 12.

Dont want Hockenson in the 1st round... let someone else take him. Haven't scouted TE's much yet.

[Joemailman]

A big NO to taking Hockenson at #12. TE's drafted top 20 rarely justify being picked that high. Gronk and Zach Ertz were 2nd round picks. I'd be okay with Hock or Fant at #30.

[call_me_ishmael]

Gronk was only picked that low because of injury. Many felt he was the best prospect in the draft allegedly. That's what my research on his has claimed, anyway. I'm of the belief that they have Aaron Freakin' Rodgers and Devante Adams, they don't need a TE, they just need Aaron to throw the ball faster.

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Evan Lazar @ezlazar
Only watched one game so far of T.J. Hockenson. The #Patriots might love him but he's not sniffing the end of the first round. What a stud.

Doug Farrar @NFL_DougFarrar
He's gonna get Gronk comps because he can block, but I'm not going there. Gronk is on an entirely different level. But he reminds me of Bennett in that he's a plus blocker, uses his size well, and is a very easy mover through traffic.

[pbmax]

Overrated Board by Matt Miller at Bleacher Report

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820850

Just picking out positions that might be of interest early to the Packers.

Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss
"Oof...this guy is just bad. I don't know what to tell you. He doesn't move well enough to play left. He's too lazy. I laugh every time he's in the first round of a mock draft." — NFC pro scout

"I think this one is pretty obvious because the hype on him has really died down. I remember reading a mock draft in midseason that had him as a top-15 pick, and he was just never that good." — NFC area scout


Dexter Lawrence, DL, Clemson
"It's nothing against the kid, but teams should know better than to draft a nose tackle early. He's Vita Vea. He's Danny Shelton. These guys are never worth the early pick." — AFC general manager


David Edwards, OT, Wisconsin
"I love the hype on this kid because it means someone good will fall to us. Everyone sees 'Wisconsin' and thinks he must be special when the truth is he's all-day average." — AFC area scout

OUCH

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Miller's Top 32 this week

1. Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio State

2. Quinnen Williams, DL, Alabama

3. Josh Allen, EDGE, Kentucky

4. Rashan Gary, DL, Michigan

5. Josh Jacobs, RB, Alabama

6. Devin White, LB, LSU

7. Ed Oliver, DL, Houston

8. Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama

9. Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson

10. Devin Bush, LB, Michigan

11. Montez Sweat, EDGE, Miss. State

12. Byron Murphy, CB, Washington

13. Dwayne Haskins, QB, Ohio State

14. Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State

15. Marquise Brown, WR, Oklahoma

16. Jeffery Simmons, DL, Miss. State

17. Greedy Williams, CB, LSU

18. Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma

19. Brian Burns, EDGE, Florida State

20. Trayvon Mullen, CB, Clemson

21. T.J. Hockenson, TE, Iowa

22. Christian Wilkins, DL, Clemson

23. Deandre Baker, CB, Georgia

24. Taylor Rapp, S, Washington

25. Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida

26. Irv Smith Jr., TE, Alabama

27. Jachai Polite, EDGE, Florida

28. Jaylon Ferguson, EDGE, Louisiana Tech

29. N'Keal Harry, WR, Arizona State

30. Drew Lock, QB, Missouri

31. Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma

32. Johnathan Abram, S, Miss. State

[pbmax]

OK tape eaters, can this guy play?

4. Sleeper of the Week
TCU defensive lineman L.J. Collier

[call_me_ishmael]

Anyone else think 12 might be Kyler Murray territory and the Packers have a nice opportunity to trade down? Given their holes and the plethora of edgies, I wouldn't be opposed to dropping into the early 20s I think.