Official 2019 Draft Thread

[Deputy Nutz]

The worst part about Oliver is that his tape shows him throwing mother fuckers around and roasting them with quickness too. Then dude showed up and jumped 36”, showing ridiculous power for a 290 pound guy. I was hoping his 40 would suck but he showed up and ran a 4.75 with a 3-cone and shuttle closer to a WR than a DL. Fuck, dude is a freak. His tape didn’t lie. Nutz said just on tape, Oliver was better than Williams. I think Nutz is probably right and Oliver is gonna be one of the surprise top 5 picks in a couple weeks. Unfortunately.

Williams plays in a defense where he has 6 other NFL guys around him. Oliver, not quite the supporting cast. Offenses can afford to double team him and run as many blockers as needed. All defensive linemen will lose position in the run game, it happens. I don't think Oliver or Williams will disappoint at the next level, but the better player will develop faster and add more to their arsenal. I think Oliver has a bit of lead already in that category. Williams beat a lot of guys with a single move, the swim move in college, not sure if he will keep his head above water in the NFL with just that move. Regardless it will come down to who wants to be a Hall of Fame DT. Both have potential.

[Deputy Nutz]

I agree. Mock drafts are mockable. If I were betting, both sweat and oliver go top 6. Josh Allen slips past 6. A guy like Christian Wilkins could end up being our pick at 12 and everyone will be pissed until he plays. Then everyone pretends they knew how good he was all along.

If I had to pick 2 guys I like that are likely to slide past 15 it would be Burns and Dillard. Lets make it 3 and add Risner. I don't like the "top 2" tackles this year. Another guy who sneaks into the first (maybe to us at 30) is Nasir Adderly. Kid has a nice skill set. Hard to project because he played against less competition, but he really fits my mold of a S.

I would pass at Wilkins at 12. In fact I like Dexter Lawrence better than Wilken if we are talking Clemson DTs. I don't like Lawrence at 12 either, but I think you see my point.

Safety is pretty deep when you get into the late first, second, and third round. I don't think Adderly is head and shoulders above some of the other guys.

[Fritz]

I agree. Mock drafts are mockable. If I were betting, both sweat and oliver go top 6. Josh Allen slips past 6. A guy like Christian Wilkins could end up being our pick at 12 and everyone will be pissed until he plays. Then everyone pretends they knew how good he was all along.

If I had to pick 2 guys I like that are likely to slide past 15 it would be Burns and Dillard. Lets make it 3 and add Risner. I don't like the "top 2" tackles this year. Another guy who sneaks into the first (maybe to us at 30) is Nasir Adderly. Kid has a nice skill set. Hard to project because he played against less competition, but he really fits my mold of a S.

This is my strategy, exactly. Nobody remembers and most are too lazy to look up what I said.

[run pMc]

My suggestion for all of you is to not listen to the mock drafts about pass rushers and watch some youtube on them and decide who is the best fit or best rusher.

100% agree. One of the reasons I like Burns is for a young guy he actually has some pass rush moves. Ferrell wins more on technique/moves than athleticism. Oliver was miscast at NT but he could be a demon in subpackages or at 3T.
Wilkins might be a slight reach at 12 but not by much. He moves pretty well for a guy his size and can play all over the line. The problem I have with the Clemson guys is there were a few of them so you don't know if someone is benefiting more than others. Same thing with Miss.St.- they had the top ranked overall defense in the SEC, but was Sweat better because of Simmons, or other way around, and did those guys make others like Abram look better?

As it is, I think it's a better to prefer tape/production over combine numbers; the athletic numbers are useful to confirm what the film shows though.

[woodbuck27]

I don't think they're the same guy at all. From what I can get, and what I remember, Jamaal Reynolds was strictly a speed rusher. He was not physical, at all. Oliver is physical, and quick.

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[mraynrand]

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[wist43]

Saw that Jeff Smith is coming in for a visit... interesting player.

[bobblehead]

Recent mocks have Sweat slipping to us and then we take Hockenson. I would break a TV if that happened. It won't though. Sweat goes top 5 I bet. He has decent production, great senior bowl and generational Combine. Heart issue? If 32 teams are worried about it he shouldn't be drafted. Lots of guys have murmers and such. I don't think its a danger. Again, if it is he shouldn't go til round 4 if at all.

[mraynrand]

Saw that Jeff Smith is coming in for a visit... interesting player.

With a 4.34, he might not last until day 3.

[Deputy Nutz]

Sweat to me is a 5 tech weakside edge rusher. He has really long arms and legs and looks goofy when he runs. Even with his combine numbers I don't see him as a stand up backer or end that can comfortably drop into coverage if needed. If his job is to simply rush the passer then put him in a 4 pt stance and let him loose from there. Same could be possibly said for Ferrell.

Burns could be used more as a stand up end, but make no mistake, he is still an edge rusher. He is just a bit more familiar with it.

My suggestion is that the Packers need to stop drafting the square peg in hopes they can eventually fit it through a circular opening. Sure, flexible defenses can have options for all different potential athletes.

[smuggler]

So, still a 50/50 chance of being a bust

Seems to be stats not worth looking at imo

List has literally zero current busts and one player looking like he could be a bust (Jordan Willis) and includes at least one Hall of Famer.

[pbmax]

Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein
After speaking with a few different teams, I definitely get the feeling that Dwayne Haskins draft stock was more media created than team driven. I see Haskins falling on draft day and I think the chances are increasing that he is not the second QB off the board.

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Lance Zierlein @LanceZierlein
After speaking with a few different teams, I definitely get the feeling that Dwayne Haskins draft stock was more media created than team driven. I see Haskins falling on draft day and I think the chances are increasing that he is not the second QB off the board.

i don't see how the other QB could be the top pick either, i think thats all media driven too

no one was saying he was going anywhere near the top until the combine, where he didn't work out. then all of a sudden the cardinals (who took rosen at #10 last year) are gonna take him number one

from what i can tell the only reason he shot up to the top of the draft was because he measured in at an 1/8 inch taller then people thought he was

fact of the matter is, i don't know if any of these QB's are really first round talents

[Fritz]

If you're going to draft a University of Michigan player, draft Chase Winovich, not Rashan Gary. Winovich will get after it. I don't know when he's projected to be drafted, but he would make a nice, energetic addition to this team's defense.

[Joemailman]

If you're going to draft a University of Michigan player, draft Chase Winovich, not Rashan Gary. Winovich will get after it. I don't know when he's projected to be drafted, but he would make a nice, energetic addition to this team's defense.

Based on what I've read, probably a 2-3 round pick. What you've said about him jives with the scouting reports about him.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/chase-...9-b78e6eda4b7f

Physical edge defender who plays the game like he has zombie blood pumping through his veins. Winovich is relentless, determined and takes no plays off, but his lack of physical traits and explosiveness as a rusher could limit his upside. Scheme fit could determine his role as 4-3 defensive end or 3-4 rush linebacker, but his football character and physicality improve his odds for success as an eventual starter.

He even has Clay Matthews' hair.