Time to talk Packer football: Defensive Line

[texaspackerbacker]

Yeah, even a mediocre D Line eats blockers - you need the excellent LBs to take advantage. The question is, what do you do when the D Line is good and the LBs are mediocre? If Pettine is a real genius of a D Coordinator, maybe he can figure out a way to maximize things.

[pbmax]

A good line eats blockers and let's LBs attack the line.

Not always. Teams can one gap and expect the line to make plays. There has been a lot of this talk in GB since Pettine came on board.

But it is unusual, for reasons that aren't always clear, that teams one gap all the time across the board. The Vikings with Doleman and Millard used to and you could see games with them that it wasn't working. I suspect a pure one gap team would get burned by misdirection, read option and the like. Think about Clay Matthews in the first few games against Kaepernick.

Belichick who runs a base 4-3 now, one gaps to one side and two gaps the other. There are either 8 or 10 gaps to cover (depends on if you count 2 or 3 gaps wide of the tackle or TE) and if some lineman can 2 gap, you can have more players reacting to the ball.

The talk all of offseason is that at least one player (Daniels) will be playing less two gap. But Trgovac always cautioned about reporting that suggested Capers 2 gapped everyone on most plays. I am not sure the difference will be that noticeable. We'll see.

[bobblehead]

Plus it's the off season, what else do we have but optimism?

Mainly this. Add in his draft status and I suspect he is given every chance to succeed before any undrafted guys.

As for the one gap scheming it works great when you get across the line penetration. Problems arise when you get a good OL and a back that can one cut with great vision.

[Upnorth]

Rookie Hopeful: James Looney

I thought he suffered from T-rex disease. Short stubby little arms?

[smuggler]

That's what they said about Dean Lowry. You have to remember that 'short' arms on a guy who's 6'6" are still pretty damn long.

[Fritz]

That's what they said about Dean Lowry. You have to remember that 'short' arms on a guy who's 6'6" are still pretty damn long.

Not on Dean Lowry they're not!

[Upnorth]

This football outsiders article seems appropriate for this topic.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...s-rushers-2017

The only area we are not in the bottom third of pass rush productivity is when we sent 3 (assuming you see dvoa as a fair representation of efficiency)

[wist43]

This football outsiders article seems appropriate for this topic.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...s-rushers-2017

The only area we are not in the bottom third of pass rush productivity is when we sent 3 (assuming you see dvoa as a fair representation of efficiency)

I think you have to throw everything that was produced by Capers out the window... He had been bad for years in Green Bay, but the last couple of years he was an unmitigated disaster.

We've got to evaluate everyone anew.

[Upnorth]

I think you have to throw everything that was produced by Capers out the window... He had been bad for years in Green Bay, but the last couple of years he was an unmitigated disaster.

We've got to evaluate everyone anew.

So you are drinking the Pettine koolaid?

[bobblehead]

Not on Dean Lowry they're not!

I heard the guy can't even wash his junk in the shower without a special loofah on a stick.

[Upnorth]

I heard the guy can't even wash his junk in the shower without a special loofah on a stick.

I heard he has to climb down a ladder to tie his own shoes

[run pMc]

If you go back and look at the 2010 run, you can see the DL played a big role -- Jenkins and Raji were disruptive, and Pickett/Green provided contributions as well. From what I saw, Jenkins got doubled a lot and still managed to pressure the QB. It helped that Matthews was also a terror -- he was quicker (and lighter looking) than he is now. The secondary had Peprah running the show back there, and it seems that with some of the injuries they had they dumbed things down but ran it very well (read: no communication errors, people knew their assignments and did them) and also got pretty lucky with fumbles, etc.

I agree the LBs aren't what they were (Walden/Zombo, Bishop, Hawk, Matthews) but think the DL could pick up some of that slack, and with improved secondary play at least field a respectable defense that gets off the field on 3rd down.

[pbmax]

I think you have to throw everything that was produced by Capers out the window... He had been bad for years in Green Bay, but the last couple of years he was an unmitigated disaster.

We've got to evaluate everyone anew.

So are we approaching this from the Great Man historical approach (as in Capers was not that man) or an actor-network theory approach, where everything he touched became incompetent.

[Cheesehead Craig]

So you are drinking the Pettine koolaid?

I am.

[mraynrand]

So are we approaching this from the Great Man historical approach (as in Capers was not that man) or an actor-network theory approach, where everything he touched became incompetent.

yes