The Hole in the Cheese

[Harlan Huckleby]

But the important factor here is "some games" not the backup QB quality. Rodgers missed 7 games and 9 games. If those numbers are 5 and 7, the seasons look very different.

So backup QB quality not so important to winning those, say, 5 games? You seem to suggest all backups are similarly unlikely to win. I doubt that.

[Zool]

So backup QB quality not so important to winning those, say, 5 games? You seem to suggest all backups are similarly unlikely to win. I doubt that.

Well with hard data like " I doubt that" you have me sold.

[Tony Oday]

As long as Hundley is the backup we might as well not have one.

[Harlan Huckleby]

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/7/10/15948238/fact-check-backup-quarterbacks-important-philadelphia-eagles-nick-foles-qb-carson-wentz-chase-daniel

This article confirms your sense that paying more for QB backups is unwise.

But I'm sticking to my story that a capable backup is critical.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well with hard data like " I doubt that" you have me sold.

Where is your hard data that the ability of the backup QB is unimportant to the outcome of games they play?

[Zool]

Where is your hard data that the ability of the backup QB is unimportant to the outcome of games they play?

You disputed me first.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No puppet. You're the puppet.

[Zool]

No puppet. You're the puppet.

You are

[Harlan Huckleby]

Rubber, glue

[mraynrand]

If you look at teams who make the playoffs, lots of them had to play some regular season games without the QB who started the season.

How many games? Give us a few examples.

Some thoughts based on the Cowboys: The 1994 Cowboys started Peete and Garrett each one game. They won and Aikman went 10-4 for a 12-4 record. Given the surrounding talent, it's hard to say that the QBs here made the difference. But it's safe to say the Cowboys weren't exactly spending big money on backups. They had mix of marginal starters and washed up guys (Kosar, Wade Wilson) during Aikman's run, pretty much like the Packers in 2013. Garrett was only 3-2 in 1998, and in fairness maybe more due to the Cowboys slipping in talent level than due to Garrett being just marginal as backup. But 3-2 I think would be generally acceptable for most for a backup.

The Packers didn't plan to be cheap/cavalier with Hundley, they just got it wrong - I believe they honestly thought they could win more with him. So the fault wasn't the plan, it's was the evaluation of the player.

[Radagast]

In the current times, if one can't pop open a vacuum sealed container and receive instant gratification, then putting forth some effort is out of he question. My point is that developing an NFL QB from a College QB is rarely realised in 1 or sometimes even 2 seasons. Many QB's sucked in their first 12-->15 regular season games. I salute Hundley and any other QB that must try to fill the shoes of an elite QB that has gone down with an injury.
IMO,Hundley showed improvement during his time as GB's replacement QB. I suspect we will see a more mature QB in Hundley this pre-season as he competes for the #2 QB spot against Kinser. I don't see either as the heir apparent to Rodgers, but then one can't fairly compare a polished diamond to a piece of rough quartz.
QB's like Kinser and Hundley that have real game experience are of more value than unproven QBs that have only seen action in pre-season games. On the #2QB question, I must place that decision with the paid professionals like the HC/OC/and GM.

I still see the hole at the RG and LT positions on the O-Line.

[mraynrand]

Ya but Hundley was inexperienced coming in last year. Only the coaches knew if he was ready and they were mostly wrong. Maybe he will improve but inaccuracy usually is resistant to correction.

The jury is out on Kazor

[Radagast]

Ya but Hundley was inexperienced coming in last year. Only the coaches knew if he was ready and they were mostly wrong. Maybe he will improve but inaccuracy usually is resistant to correction.

The jury is out on Kazor

I'd say the jury is out on both.

[mraynrand]

Hundley has been convicted: guilty as sucks. His case is being appealed.

[Harlan Huckleby]

QB's like Kinser and Hundley that have real game experience are of more value than unproven QBs that have only seen action in pre-season games. On the #2QB question, I must place that decision with the paid professionals like the HC/OC/and GM.

I agree with you that the limited regular season experience of the two wannabees is the case that the backup situation is not terrible.

Your comment expressing trust in the paid professionals is forum misconduct and grounds for a one day ban, minimum.

The fact that the sports writers are musing whether the undrafted guy might sneak into the #2 slot suggestS that the backups aren't looking too hot. We'll see - THURSDAY! THURSDAY! THURSDAY!