The 53 Man Roster

[mraynrand]

Cobb is limited by size and downfield speed, but he's still a good player. Ya, I was down on for a bit early last season, as I kick everybody and anybody when they're down. Cobb made enough plays through the season to convince me he is very much a keeper. No way he gets cut in the middle of the 2018-19 Super Bowl quest.

PBmax had some reference to a twitter dude who had broken down all the numbers showing that Cobb has among the highest separation of all receivers in the NFL. In statistical terms, it's inarguable and convincing. Still, productivity-wise, Cobb has been pretty much stalled out at around 600 yards, 5 TDs for the past 3 years.

[texaspackerbacker]

At $10 million, Cobb makes more than about 7 receivers put together (everybody other than D. Adams), all of whom arguably are better than him at this point of his career IMO.

[pbmax]

PBmax had some reference to a twitter dude who had broken down all the numbers showing that Cobb has among the highest separation of all receivers in the NFL. In statistical terms, it's inarguable and convincing. Still, productivity-wise, Cobb has been pretty much stalled out at around 600 yards, 5 TDs for the past 3 years.

Nah, it wasn't statistical. It was video clips of Cobb open and no one throwing him the ball during Hundley ball. Still cannot find the clips.

In the same way the McCarthy offense has devolved to the Rodgers extended play offense, Cobb is hurt by the everyone run 7 yards and turn around offense.

I believe the offense doesn't help him AND that he is probably a step slower than what he was. But should M3 wake up and help his players escape press coverage quickly, I think he could still be devastating.

The entire offense, like Jordy, has been regressing in Yards Per Attempt for a few years. There were some exceptions last year with AR and during the 6 game hot stretch in 2016. But its not just Cobb who looks pedestrian in this offense now. Adams is the only one who looks dominant because he can get off the line like a coiled spring.

[pbmax]

At $10 million, Cobb makes more than about 7 receivers put together (everybody other than D. Adams), all of whom arguably are better than him at this point of his career IMO.

So you prefer Allison and Davis over Cobb in the starting lineup? None of the other WR have caught a ball in a game that counts.

This is the KGB situation all over again, except Cullen Jenkins isn't on the bench.

[mraynrand]

Nah, it wasn't statistical. It was video clips of Cobb open and no one throwing him the ball during Hundley ball. Still cannot find the clips.

maybe I had the wrong guy, but this guy had exact yards of separation/pass play. It was meticulous.

[pbmax]

maybe I had the wrong guy, but this guy had exact yards of separation/pass play. It was meticulous.

I believe it. They have that data now with player tracking.

Player tracking will influence a lot of coverage because you can infer a lot of things from clips and film plus targets and catch rate, but there is no guarantee they will survive location data on WR.

If you listened to people describe routes or look at a route tree in playbook form then looked at the WR route map from player tracking, you'd think it was two different sports.

[texaspackerbacker]

So you prefer Allison and Davis over Cobb in the starting lineup? None of the other WR have caught a ball in a game that counts.

This is the KGB situation all over again, except Cullen Jenkins isn't on the bench.

I prefer Valdez-Scantling starting. Of the 9 or so Packer WRs, I'd prefer almost any of them over Cobb at this stage of his career.

[Tony Oday]

Cobb will have 1000 yards and 5 TDs this season.

[mraynrand]

Cobb will have 1000 yards and 5 TDs this season.

That's a good bet, APRH. Last year, early on, Cobb was sneaking open underneath as teams were paying attention to and doubling Bennett, Nelson and Janis. When Rodgers got hurt and Bennett decompensated, there was no way for Cobb to really exploit coverage gaps - they either no long were there, or the QB couldn't distribute the ball.

[Zool]

That's a good bet, APRH. Last year, early on, Cobb was sneaking open underneath as teams were paying attention to and doubling Bennett, Nelson and Janis. When Rodgers got hurt and Bennett decompensated, there was no way for Cobb to really exploit coverage gaps - they either no long were there, or the QB couldn't distribute the ball.

Couldn't help yourself huh?

[mraynrand]

Couldn't help yourself huh?

forgive me

[texaspackerbacker]

Cobb will have 1000 yards and 5 TDs this season.

For what team is the question.

[run pMc]

In the same way the McCarthy offense has devolved to the Rodgers extended play offense, Cobb is hurt by the everyone run 7 yards and turn around offense.

I believe the offense doesn't help him AND that he is probably a step slower than what he was. But should M3 wake up and help his players escape press coverage quickly, I think he could still be devastating.

The entire offense, like Jordy, has been regressing in Yards Per Attempt for a few years. There were some exceptions last year with AR and during the 6 game hot stretch in 2016. But its not just Cobb who looks pedestrian in this offense now. Adams is the only one who looks dominant because he can get off the line like a coiled spring.

I couldn't agree more.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Does Adams look dominant? He's a good player, uses his body well. He's no James Lofton or Sterling Sharpe. He looks like an average #1 receiver to me - which is pretty damn good.

I think after about a month, the "Cobb kinda sucks" chorus is going to look foolish, just like last year. He's a starter quality guy, #2 guy.

[texaspackerbacker]

He doesn't exactly suck; He's just taking up a roster spot and $10 million of salary cap when there are probably 6-8 better WRs fighting for too few spots and all of them together getting paid less than Cobb.