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But those watching would have to understand how different the game was in each era and factor that in. Would Rodgers or Favre be better than Starr in his time? How would Starr do today with the rules as they are and the training methods?Originally posted by mraynrand View PostPeople either don't know/believe/care about those things. They just like the Favre mystique. Rodgers ain't got it. But he's a tremendous player. Even though it's a poll of 'who's better' you can't control for the pure popularity aspect of it, nor the power the historical myths and success of the Lombardi era. It would be interesting to see how the poll changed if everyone could watch every game that each player played, in it's entirety. I'm not sure, but I suspect it would come out Rodgers>Favre>Starr."The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."
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In 1996, Favre and Steve Young were the only 2 NFL QB's with a passer rating over 90. Last year there were 15. It's a much more pass-friendly game now.I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
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But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
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I voted for Rodgers. While it's tough to compare players between eras, Rodgers's meaningful stats (TD:INT and QB Rating) are superior to anyone in his own generation. I don't think you could say that about any other GB QB. The things Rodgers does well seem especially suited to the way the rules have tilted toward offense and the way offenses have evolved.
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Ya, OK. But I seem to remember that Bart Starr held a record for the most consecutive passes without an interception. I couldn't find any stats about that, or career interception rates going back in time. Maybe it is a figment of my imagination, but Starr would have been highly efficient in any era.Originally posted by hoosier View PostI voted for Rodgers. While it's tough to compare players between eras, Rodgers's meaningful stats (TD:INT and QB Rating) are superior to anyone in his own generation. I don't think you could say that about any other GB QB.
In my fruitless google search, i hit on two interesting pages. This guy think Brett Favre is the all-time interception king among well known quarterbacks:
Aaron Rodgers is the all time leader in interception percentage:
Aaron Rodgers has proven he's is one of the best in today's NFL and he's also proven that' he will go down as one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game. We know that
Quite a contrast.
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Starr had a higher percentage of his passes intercepted than than Favre did. It's hard to compare players from different eras.I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen
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It’s a silly poll because there’s no definition to the question. What is the criteria for “best”. I take it to be physically and mentally superior because they are playing a sport. I didnt get to watch Starr live, and as you said in his era maybe they didn’t break down film like they do now. Rodgers is on the next plateau right now for how he reads a game. Farce (auto correct did this and I’m leaving it) was just slinging the ball and hoping for the best. Rodgers’ accuracy in my opinion can be compared to Steph Curry’s accuracy in shooting a basketball. They are both redefining what the current best is. Farve wasn’t the best QB of his generation. Rodgers is either 1 or 2, and I believe Starr would be considered in the top couple.Originally posted by Joemailman View PostStarr had a higher percentage of his passes intercepted than than Favre did. It's hard to compare players from different eras.Originally posted by 3irty1This is museum quality stupidity.
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Originally posted by Zool View PostIt’s a silly poll because there’s no definition to the question. What is the criteria for “best”. I take it to be physically and mentally superior because they are playing a sport. I didnt get to watch Starr live, and as you said in his era maybe they didn’t break down film like they do now. Rodgers is on the next plateau right now for how he reads a game. Farce (auto correct did this and I’m leaving it) was just slinging the ball and hoping for the best. Rodgers’ accuracy in my opinion can be compared to Steph Curry’s accuracy in shooting a basketball. They are both redefining what the current best is. Farve wasn’t the best QB of his generation. Rodgers is either 1 or 2, and I believe Starr would be considered in the top couple.
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These GOAT polls are taken all the time and real men – manly men – manage to power through the difficulty without whining. Yes, we all know that Michael Jordan, Bill Russell and Lebron James played different positions in different eras, it is hard to compare. They were great in their own ways. To come up with a choice, you have to decide on the most important criteria, and you have to judge each within their era.Originally posted by Zool View PostIt’s a silly poll because there’s no definition to the question. What is the criteria for “best”.
“But it’s so hard!” shriek the girly men. “I can’t do it. What is 'best'? I won’t do it! I won’t, I tell you!”
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lolOriginally posted by Harlan Huckleby View PostThese GOAT polls are taken all the time and real men – manly men – manage to power through the difficulty without whining.
Wilt Chamberlain! Think about the obstacles he overcame - just competing, getting back on that horse(s) every night despite the pure exhaustion from the previous night!Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby View PostYes, we all know that Michael Jordan, Bill Russell and Lebron James played different positions in different eras, it is hard to compare. They were great in their own ways. To come up with a choice, you have to decide on the most important criteria, and you have to judge each within their era.
“But it’s so hard!” shriek the girly men. “I can’t do it. What is 'best'? I won’t do it! I won’t, I tell you!”"Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck
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Patler has made the case (and others have echoed it) that Starr often rescued the Packer offense with passing when the run game proved fruitless.
I suspect with a modern offense and training Starr would look like Montana or Brady and give any modern QB a run for their money.
Rodgers and Favre have athletic traits that are hard to match given their efficiency. I have no idea who comes out on top but Rodgers dominates in his era more than the other two except where Starr was a monster in playoff games (non era adjusted 100+ passer rating in the 1960s).Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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