Official Fire Mike McCarthy Thread

[pbmax]

Tramon and Morrison seem to be working out just fine

Morrison is a try hard guy, 2 down LB. But no one is game planning around him. Plus he is cheap.

Tramontana is currently stronger than what lines up at CB across the field is the best that can be said of him.

[Pugger]

it's not like a coaching change is going to make any difference. everything is already tuned for Rodgers abilities and he can change any play he wants to at the line. a coaching change this late in Rodgers' career would be counter productive imo. you think a new coach is going to go in there and tell Rodgers the way it's going to be? only Rodgers himself can change his game/mindset. it's talent and execution. they don't have enough talent, or the guts to get it, and their execution is trending downward...including Rodgers'. they'll continue to waddle around in the 9-10 win zone as Rodgers gets ever closer to 40 if they're lucky. saw a quote today that tells the story...in their last 47 games the Packers are 23-23-1.

that said...Go Pack!

If the rumors of a riff between Mac and AR are true getting a fresh perspective from a new HC might be just the jolt he and the offense needs to get going again. Maybe AR needs a new challenge to energize him.

[The Shadow]

mccarthy is a one trick pony whos trick was figured out long ago, and he has either refused or is incapable of learning a second trick

Pretty much nails it.

[texaspackerbacker]

If the rumors of a riff between Mac and AR are true getting a fresh perspective from a new HC might be just the jolt he and the offense needs to get going again. Maybe AR needs a new challenge to energize him.

First of all, I very much doubt those rumors are true. Secondly, I suspect any new coach would try to get away from what Rodgers does - and likes to do - so well even more than McCarthy. And Third, it's more about mediocre personnel other than Rodgers than any other factor. Just look at the Defense. Pettine is supposed to be such a hot shot DC, but quality hasn't changed that much because of the players he has to work with. Ditto that and more so for the O Line.

[Pugger]

First of all, I very much doubt those rumors are true. Secondly, I suspect any new coach would try to get away from what Rodgers does - and likes to do - so well even more than McCarthy. And Third, it's more about mediocre personnel other than Rodgers than any other factor. Just look at the Defense. Pettine is supposed to be such a hot shot DC, but quality hasn't changed that much because of the players he has to work with. Ditto that and more so for the O Line.

Gee, to me it appears this defense is better than it was last year. In Detroit they were put in a terrible spot over and over. We have to remember this is a new scheme and DC. I think they will only get better as the season progresses.

[Joemailman]

Gee, to me it appears this defense is better than it was last year. In Detroit they were put in a terrible spot over and over. We have to remember this is a new scheme and DC. I think they will only get better as the season progresses.

I pretty much agree. They've been hurt by surprisingly poor Safety play. I don't think they saw that coming. Other than that though, they've been more solid than in recent years. Packers are allowing an opponent passer rating of 89.3 which ranks 13th. They're actually 2nd in opponents passing YPG, but that is skewed because opponents have had big halftime leads in 3 games, so they haven't thrown the ball a lot in the 2nd half. Run defense has been just average, but that's typical for a Pettine defense.

[Bretsky]

Also, a continuing series of reminders that Free Agency is a terrible, terrible idea at almost all times.

I don't think I agree

Do you think Graham was a really bad move ? I'm not sure yet. Williams is fine.

Not making things work with Jordy and dropping Cobb may have been the mistake


AND.....not drafting a pass rusher in round one last year ))

[Bretsky]

Candidates:

Offense
MATT LAFLEUR, OC, TENNESSEE
JOHN DEFILIPPO, OC, MINNESOTA
BRIAN DABOLL, OC, BUFFALO
Josh McDaniels, OC, New England
Dan Campbell, OC, New Orleans
Jim Bob Cooter, OC, Detroit


Defense
JAMES BETTCHER, DC, NYG
JIM SCHWARTZ, DC, PHILADELPHIA
ROBERT SALEH, DC, SAN FRANCISCO
GEORGE EDWARDS, DC, MINNESOTA
Teryl Austin, DC, Cincinnati

College
Chris Petersen, HC, Washington
David Shaw, HC, Stanford
Jim Harbaugh, HC, Michigan
Lincoln Riley, HC, Oklahoma
Matt Campbell, HC, Iowa State

WHO is the offensive GURU I thought you were pimping and comparing to the Rams coach; I'm loving me my new Rams coach !

[Bretsky]

Morrison is a try hard guy, 2 down LB. But no one is game planning around him. Plus he is cheap.

Tramontana is currently stronger than what lines up at CB across the field is the best that can be said of him.

Morrison a one trick pony...completely true......but he is also one big trick better than the alternatives, or lack of alternatives...as well as Jake Ryan

[pbmax]

WHO is the offensive GURU I thought you were pimping and comparing to the Rams coach; I'm loving me my new Rams coach !

I liked both Adam Gase and Mike McCoy, but both have struggled since getting my recommendation. Pressure of great expectations might have done them in.

Of the list, I just don't trust DeFillipo or Daboll as they were part of some horrific offenses and have just recently looked good. But the Vikes offense still seems legit with John D.

The guy who I feel absolutely can coach is the former Cardinals D guy, now wth the Giants, Bettcher. Arias recommended him for the open Cards job but he didn't get it. His Defenses have been very good. No idea what he thinks about Offense.

[pbmax]

Morrison a one trick pony...completely true......but he is also one big trick better than the alternatives, or lack of alternatives...as well as Jake Ryan

Do you honestly think he is a significant step up from Ryan?

[Pugger]

The one big problem with McCarthy is he cannot or will not reign Rodgers in and get him to take what the defense gives him. AR loves to go for the big play instead of keeping drives alive tossing it to a check down receiver. Rodgers' improv is what makes him so great but with that bum knee he isn't nimble enough to pull off plays like that. Both of these men appear to be stubborn mules lately. Until Mac takes control of this situation we are going to continue to struggle offensively.

[Carolina_Packer]

The one big problem with McCarthy is he cannot or will not reign Rodgers in and get him to take what the defense gives him. AR loves to go for the big play instead of keeping drives alive tossing it to a check down receiver. Rodgers' improv is what makes him so great but with that bum knee he isn't nimble enough to pull off plays like that. Both of these men appear to be stubborn mules lately. Until Mac takes control of this situation we are going to continue to struggle offensively.

Pugger, I think this is what is making QB's who read the D and take what is given more successfully at this point in the season. I realize the offense and concepts are different, but look at Brees and Brady. The ball is out and for the most part, they stay in the pocket, sometimes with enough time to eat a ham sandwich. I've heard people say our isolation routes are somewhat to blame as well, aside from Rodgers wanting to go for the big play.


Elementary idea, but if they improved the run game, and used the screen game with them, and defenses had to respect that, wouldn't that make Green Bay's offense less predictable and add a bit more deception/versatility to keep defenses guessing?

[Freak Out]

Watch the replays of the games this year. Arod basically ignores wide open guys that would end up as 1st downs or big plays while looking for a long ball multiple times every game. Maddening.

[pbmax]

Watch the replays of the games this year. Arod basically ignores wide open guys that would end up as 1st downs or big plays while looking for a long ball multiple times every game. Maddening.

Agree. And I think its happening for two reasons, one of which is directly under McCarthy's control, the other not as much.

During the great offensive slowdowns post 2011, Rodgers and the extended play offense were the only thing working at times. It was a natural evolution to solve the Defense rush 4 and man cover with 5 short with two deep safeties. If you want to pass against that, you need some time. He bought it.

But you also know that puts the QB at risk, plus defenses will adjust again, just like they learned that Favre was going to whistle throws past a DBs earhole that could be intercepted.

So McCarthy should have insisted on more traditional offense being run, not fiddling with a hurry up offense. Yes, I know, hindsight is 20/20. But even his stated reasons for doing so, more swings at the ball, tiring out defenses, are second order important. They are less important than functional base offense.

So that is directly on the coach. A solution to the wrong problem.

But the QB still thinks this is the best offense. And that idea needs to buried. But until his PC Sunday, I don't think he bought it.

It might take a new coach.