Official Fire Mike McCarthy Thread

[pbmax]

You're too kind. It was the cotton weave.

Pressure cooker.

[esoxx]

Stubby

[mraynrand]

Stubby

Excessive Stubbiness.

[George Cumby]

Are they gonna get that fixed?

[bobblehead]

Bump...just cuz this belongs pinned to the top.

[Fritz]

I don't know if you fire him or not. Is he adaptable enough to fix things, is it a one-year soft rebuild that, with a legitimate big-time pass rusher, some new o-line blood and some experience for Tonyan and the young wideouts can be fixed? Or is the whole thing toxic, and Ted just the whipping boy for even bigger problems?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Hell yes, you fire him! And even though the odds of finding a good head coach on 1st retry is 30%, that is WAY better than putting up with the bullshit we have had to watch. And the sad part, is the dude thinks he is a great coach. Arrogant prick....

[pbmax]

I don't know if you fire him or not. Is he adaptable enough to fix things, is it a one-year soft rebuild that, with a legitimate big-time pass rusher, some new o-line blood and some experience for Tonyan and the young wideouts can be fixed? Or is the whole thing toxic, and Ted just the whipping boy for even bigger problems?

One of his strengths is maintaining control of his team. But he has lost his offense. His area of specialty is now performing like his special teams.

The disconnect between reality and the plan were evident the minute Spriggs had to start for Bach. Suddenly, it was a whole new offense for a drive.

So it can be done, but he isn't doing it.

Forget if you think its Rodgers or McCarthy doing this damage. Rodgers is the rarer talent. You keep him. Dump the coach who hasn't figured out his own team's shortcomings yet.

We have had parts of three games (Bears. Vikings 1 and 2) that have showed what this offense could be. But it refuses to be that.

[mraynrand]

Quick question re: the road losses: which teams (specifically NE, LAR, MN, SEA) have worse talent than the Packers. Be honest and line 'em up across the board. Which teams have QBs being outplayed by Rodgers? Do the Packers have a well stocked defense with multiple pro bowl players? Who are their difference-makers? If you find yourself saying "Gee, the Packers really have a mostly depleted defense and a pretty marginal offense with a historically underperforming QB" you might begin to wonder about whether the problem is mostly coaching or mostly personnel. My point is that EVERYONE around the NFL thinks the Packers win because Rodgers plays great football, not because they are loaded with talent. And this year, the cupboard is almost completely bare, and Rodgers is mostly playing like a slightly above average NFL starter. So whose fault is that?

[Joemailman]

I don't know if you fire him or not. Is he adaptable enough to fix things, is it a one-year soft rebuild that, with a legitimate big-time pass rusher, some new o-line blood and some experience for Tonyan and the young wideouts can be fixed? Or is the whole thing toxic, and Ted just the whipping boy for even bigger problems?

MM was given a 1 year extension last offseason so 2018 would not be a lame duck year for him. That made 2018 a prove it year for him. I think you now have to make a coaching change or offer him an extension. Does anyone want an extension at this point?

[George Cumby]

MM was given a 1 year extension last offseason so 2018 would not be a lame duck year for him. That made 2018 a prove it year for him. I think you now have to make a coaching change or offer him an extension. Does anyone want an extension at this point?

I will stop any sort of pretense of following the team if he comes back.

[Joemailman]

I will stop any sort of pretense of following the team if he comes back.

Pretty much the same here. I'm past believing things will get better if he he stays. I suspect most of the players, especially on offense, feel the same. Murphy, who was a player, can see that. Which is why he will be gone.

[mraynrand]

It’s hard for me to think they want him back as they are scuttling the roster yet are not really openly admitting it. If they wanted to keep ol Stubbers they would have grudgingly admitted that while they are still expecting to win, they are clearly working to ‘revitalize’ the roster. TT did the same thing to Sherman. Taken from another perspective, turning over the roster ensures that Stubby can’t win and gives them a clear pretext to fire him that fans not only will not object to, but that they will openly cheer.

Rodgers may not be tanking games but perhaps he knows what’s going on and really isn’t struggling too hard. He knew all along that post season play was a pipe dream and may be playing so as to get rid of stubby. Note the total lack of ‘RELAX’ language this year. They know what’s happening.

[beveaux1]

Quick question re: the road losses: which teams (specifically NE, LAR, MN, SEA) have worse talent than the Packers. Be honest and line 'em up across the board. Which teams have QBs being outplayed by Rodgers? Do the Packers have a well stocked defense with multiple pro bowl players? Who are their difference-makers? If you find yourself saying "Gee, the Packers really have a mostly depleted defense and a pretty marginal offense with a historically underperforming QB" you might begin to wonder about whether the problem is mostly coaching or mostly personnel. My point is that EVERYONE around the NFL thinks the Packers win because Rodgers plays great football, not because they are loaded with talent. And this year, the cupboard is almost completely bare, and Rodgers is mostly playing like a slightly above average NFL starter. So whose fault is that?

Absolutely true. On offense, we have an all pro WR, a good RB who is smallish and has been nicked up in the past, two late round rookie WRs, an over-the-hill but better than average TE with two JAG backups. We have a beat up but still better than average RT, a JAG RG, an all pro center, a JAG LG, and the best pass blocking LT in the league with 2 bad knees rendering him vulnerable. The backups are below JAG level. At QB, we have an all world talent who has been outplayed by Goff, Cousins, Alex Smith, etc. in face to face meetings. With this level of talent, we need our incredibly talented QB to play to his usual level of play. That of one of the three best QBs in football. Instead, he's playing at Dak Prescott level football albeit with only one interception. Although to be fair, he has a number of drive killing fumbles which should be counted in his quarterback rating. I'm not letting MM off the hook, but I haven't heard him blast the QB, the highest paid player on the team, for his mistakes, which have been many by his exacting standards.


A new offense with a new coach may be what this team needs, but if the QB performs at the level he's been performing this year, it will be a long time before we sniff the playoffs.

[Joemailman]

It’s hard for me to think they want him back as they are scuttling the roster yet are not really openly admitting it. If they wanted to keep ol Stubbers they would have grudgingly admitted that while they are still expecting to win, they are clearly working to ‘revitalize’ the roster. TT did the same thing to Sherman. Taken from another perspective, turning over the roster ensures that Stubby can’t win and gives them a clear pretext to fire him that fans not only will not object to, but that they will openly cheer.

Rodgers may not be tanking games but perhaps he knows what’s going on and really isn’t struggling too hard. He knew all along that post season play was a pipe dream and may be playing so as to get rid of stubby. Note the total lack of ‘RELAX’ language this year. They know what’s happening.

Players haven't stopped trying, but have probably stopped believing. When your top players no longer believe that the coach's ideas can lead the team to success, it's over.