McCarthy's Fate

[3irty1]

Agree that a generational talent somewhere can make all the difference. Also lets a smart veteran do what they do best rather than multi-task and be exposed.

My second largest concern with M3 is that either because of age and success OR because he has never really had to do it, he is not down with designing his offense from top to bottom with interlocking plays that aways get one player open quickly.

My largest concern is that his QB is stuck in Plan 2.0 and doesn't want to give it up.

My greatest source of hope is that I think Rodgers will get this faster than McCarthy has. Rodgers already conceded he has to get the ball out faster.

McCarthy's stubbornness is visible in whatever he does whether that's sticking by a game plan that isn't working or sticking with personnel longer than most are comfortable with. It's easy to shit on this when the Packers are losing but there is a good side to his stubbornness too. I'm convinced that McCarthy's game plan is more than one game long. He's big into self-scouting and is telling a story on film. He's definitely setting things up for the future by making sure certain looks and exhaustive patterns are there. I'd guess from McCarthy's point of view the big failure this year has been not establishing the one thing that the offense does well. It used to be that our offense would find its stride early on when some simple play would emerge that the team could execute perfectly and had a reasonable chance of success with even if everybody knew it was coming. This would become the rock upon which all the counters, fakes, and derivatives would be built. This year there is no off-tackle zone or back shoulder comeback yet.

[ThunderDan]

My second largest concern with M3 is that either because of age and success OR because he has never really had to do it, he is not down with designing his offense from top to bottom with interlocking plays that aways get one player open quickly.

I am not sure on this. There does seem to be a player that is flashing open short right away. Monty was wide open on a blitz across the middle against SF and ARod was looking elsewhere. Numerous times at Packer games I will be watching certain receivers and they will break open short but ARod doesn't go there right away. We also have been running more crossing routes this year than previously. We also have been using the bubble WR screen a lot but not for long games recently.

I guess without knowing the call and all of the receivers' routes we really are guessing about scheme. The results are plain to see on the field and we are trying to back into the cause.

[pbmax]

I am not sure on this. There does seem to be a player that is flashing open short right away. Monty was wide open on a blitz across the middle against SF and ARod was looking elsewhere. Numerous times at Packer games I will be watching certain receivers and they will break open short but ARod doesn't go there right away. We also have been running more crossing routes this year than previously. We also have been using the bubble WR screen a lot but not for long games recently.

I guess without knowing the call and all of the receivers' routes we really are guessing about scheme. The results are plain to see on the field and we are trying to back into the cause.

McCarthy has, despite all of Twitter's complaints, made definite strides this year. Some of these looks showed up last year, but they are happening more now.

But they definitely need the QB to buy in to make more of it work.

[bobblehead]

McCarthy's fate huh?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the fault - to the extent that there even is a fault - lies with the previous GM and the delinquent job he has done procuring quality personnel to go along with Aaron Rodgers. McCarthy may not be flashy, but he is doing reasonably well with the personnel he has.

As for whether or not there is a "problem", fans of about 28-30 of the 32 NFL teams would trade the record and situation of their preferred teams for that of the Packers. Sure, things could have been, probably should have been maximized, but face it, we've gotten spoiled.

McCarthy ain't going anyplace until he gets ready to go. The leadership of the team doesn't want him to go, and the large sensible portion of fans don't want him to go either.

In mondays game Rodgers moved Monty to the slot presnap and had him iso v. a LB. Monty crushed him at the point and was wide open. Rodgers looked deep and eventually took a sack. TTs fault??

[Fritz]

In mondays game Rodgers moved Monty to the slot presnap and had him iso v. a LB. Monty crushed him at the point and was wide open. Rodgers looked deep and eventually took a sack. TTs fault??

I see Bobblehead, at least, understands the real problem here. You all are parsing details and complexities when it's so much easier and more satisfying to blame one person, especially if he's been fired already. Me, I think you can trace all this back to Mike Stock. It's his fault, all of it.

[mraynrand]

I see Bobblehead, at least, understands the real problem here. You all are parsing details and complexities when it's so much easier and more satisfying to blame one person, especially if he's been fired already. Me, I think you can trace all this back to Mike Stock. It's his fault, all of it.

The beauty of this is if you go to Stock's house, drag him outside by his ankles, and pummel him on his front lawn, the Packers will start winning again.

[bobblehead]

The beauty of this is if you go to Stock's house, drag him outside by his ankles, and pummel him on his front lawn, the Packers will start winning again.

Untrue. I already tried it.

[texaspackerbacker]

4-2-1 with one tie and maybe one of the losses where we got robbed by officiating.

Yeah, we really need to START winning hahahaha.

[mraynrand]

4-2-1 with one tie and maybe one of the losses where we got robbed by officiating.

Yeah, we really need to START winning hahahaha.

Wait, are you saying they already won their next game? As long as you are having fantasies, why not imagine they are 6-0. If 20-30 plays had gone their way, they'd be undefeated easily. Same with the rest of the teams in the NFL. I mean, this is the kind of solid, logical thinking that leads one to believe that all 32 teams should win the Super Bowl every year or fire everyone in their organizations.

[Bretsky]

BE READY TO BUMP THE THREAD

MM's FATE may be as the next coach of the Cleveland Browns

Hugh Jackson is a horrible excuse for an NFL Head Coach; he's good as gone.

They need a QB Whisperer.....and with GB roots already there....Enter Mike McCarthy ???????????????????/

What do you guys think ?

[mraynrand]

BE READY TO BUMP THE THREAD

MM's FATE may be as the next coach of the Cleveland Browns

Hugh Jackson is a horrible excuse for an NFL Head Coach; he's good as gone.

They need a QB Whisperer.....and with GB roots already there....Enter Mike McCarthy ???????????????????/

What do you guys think ?

I've been saying this for some time now - since last year. I think I posted something last week where I predicted that when they hire him, Randall's head will explode.

[Bretsky]

I've been saying this for some time now - since last year. I think I posted something last week where I predicted that when they hire him, Randall's head will explode.

DANGE.....so I DON"T GET BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR BEING THE FIRST TO MAKE THAT WHACKED OUT PREDICTION

WELL I'M LAYING CLAIM TO THIS ONE, and IT WILL HAVE OUR ENTIRE FORUM SCEAMING

There are some amazing QB prospects in college football, but not many teams have a great need for QB.

While many of us see GB as being close to a SB, GREEN BAY USES ONE OF THEIR FIRST ROUNDERS TO DRAFT AROD'S SUCCESSOR

[call_me_ishmael]

My thought was they'd use those two picks to trade into the top 10 to go for a top tier QB, but now that they resigned Aaron to a mega deal and given the lackluster crop of QBs this year, I don't think they will.

It is _insane_ how good the upcoming draft is in terms of decorated defensive front 7 talent. The Packers need to do whatever it takes to walk out of there with a game changer, even if it means ponying up the two #1s, and whatever else is necessary.

[Fritz]

My thought was they'd use those two picks to trade into the top 10 to go for a top tier QB, but now that they resigned Aaron to a mega deal and given the lackluster crop of QBs this year, I don't think they will.

It is _insane_ how good the upcoming draft is in terms of decorated defensive front 7 talent. The Packers need to do whatever it takes to walk out of there with a game changer, even if it means ponying up the two #1s, and whatever else is necessary.

So Ish, if the BPA in this area is a defensive lineman and not a linebacker, do the Packers draft him?

[mraynrand]

if the BPA in this area is a defensive lineman and not a linebacker, do the Packers draft him?

Only if a sure-fire DE. You could always go 4-3. With the trash the Packers have at OLB, it wouldn't be that hard to transition. Bring in another FA DL and/or FA/draft another OLB for the 4-3. The '4-3' would be a mere formality anyway given that nickel is base. Maybe Jones and/or Burks can play the Will LB. (This will cause Wist's head to explode).