McCarthy's Fate

[mraynrand]

sounds like the fans have turned on m3

the comments on facebook during the live presser are just brutal

What a shock. Everyone here loves him so much.

[mraynrand]

Fat ass is having a presser right now

basically he's saying that people makes mistakes, doesn't sound like monty will be cut or suspended or have any other kind of discipline handed to him

says ty feel really bad, so thats bad enough

My Dad felt the same way when I wrapped his Beemer around that flagpole at 45 mph. "Sure, Son, it's OK, I know you feel bad"

[gbgary]

i just don't see him surviving the offseason.

[George Cumby]

What a shock. Everyone here loves him so much.

TPB wants to have his Love Child.

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i just don't see him surviving the offseason.

he just seems so "oh gosh golly shucks, oh well". just no fire. you can see why the team has no heart, fire, or discipline

it did start to go all trump by taking his frustrations out on the media when an interviewer tried to ask him a question about ty

[mraynrand]

TPB wants to have his Love Child.

That's going too far of course, mostly because no one wants to see that genetic re-combination. But still, as much grief as I give Stubby, I think he's a pretty great coach (and not just in girth). We've discussed and have seen some of the draft picks that haven't worked out, or the few who have been let go too early, but even despite all that, Stubby still keeps it together. I probably am among the few who credit him a lot with Rodger's development, so there's that as well. It does help to have a great QB to cover your mistakes, but it also hurts your chances to get higher picks. I guess Stubby will wear out his welcome, and maybe soon, but don't be surprised if it's not so easy to replace him with a competent coach who can manage today's NFL players.

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florio thinks the whole return plus cover up afterwards shows that fat mike might be a poor coach

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/29/ty-montgomerys-move-is-a-poor-reflection-on-mike-mccarthy/

[pbmax]

Well everyone, including Bulaga missed the fact the the LB was cheating up. A slant woulda been pretty nice right there.

Is there a chance the LB was the option guy, unblocked, in the run-pass option?

[pbmax]

That's going too far of course, mostly because no one wants to see that genetic re-combination. But still, as much grief as I give Stubby, I think he's a pretty great coach (and not just in girth). We've discussed and have seen some of the draft picks that haven't worked out, or the few who have been let go too early, but even despite all that, Stubby still keeps it together. I probably am among the few who credit him a lot with Rodger's development, so there's that as well. It does help to have a great QB to cover your mistakes, but it also hurts your chances to get higher picks. I guess Stubby will wear out his welcome, and maybe soon, but don't be surprised if it's not so easy to replace him with a competent coach who can manage today's NFL players.

I am in this camp too. I think his offense is worn out and I am not sure the players are as responsive to him as they were (its an older team though, so perhaps that is natural). But he is a good enough coach that the odds of replacing him and getting better are low. As is very low. As in maybe 2-3 guys if you get it right.

And this is why the Steelers approach to coach and GM meddling is the right way (unless you are Belichick); you have to make that coach and GM get better and on the same page.

After figuring out the offense after his 15 play script, Item #2 for Coach M3's offseason improvement plan should be to hire a clock expert for the booth. And have that guy Taser Rodgers and McCarthy if the play isn't off before the play clock hits zero in camp.

[Joemailman]

Well everyone, including Bulaga missed the fact the the LB was cheating up. A slant woulda been pretty nice right there.

If they go pass, the LB blitzes. So then it's a question of whether Jones picks up the blitzer. Maybe Linsley should have changed the blocking scheme. Not sure Bulaga could have done anything different. He just couldn't get there on time.

[mraynrand]

If they go pass, the LB blitzes. So then it's a question of whether Jones picks up the blitzer. Maybe Linsley should have changed the blocking scheme. Not sure Bulaga could have done anything different. He just couldn't get there on time.

I think you're right about Bulaga - would have to look again. A play fake on a slant might have been the best call. I was surprised they chose to run given the dominance of that line. I think that's Stubby's aggressive confidence in the toughness/effectiveness of 'his guys.' It hurts him sometimes, but I think his players like it a lot and normally respond well to it.

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CBS sports seems to think that fat mike is one of the front runners for the browns job next season

[mraynrand]

CBS sports seems to think that fat mike is one of the front runners for the browns job next season

Even CBS steals from Packerrats

[Carolina_Packer]

...I guess Stubby will wear out his welcome, and maybe soon, but don't be surprised if it's not so easy to replace him with a competent coach who can manage today's NFL players.

Therein lies the quandary for the team last off-season. How tempting was it to just make a break from MM after retiring TT? The concern being how long would it take for a new coach/staff to meet or surpass the level of play we are now seeing with MM, and the clock ticking on AR's career.

I think that no matter who is at the helm, whether MM or any other HC, after a while, unless you continuously innovate or change things up, the opponents will have you figured out, know your tendencies. One way around that is to draft well, and that has been a mixed bag lately. More to the first point, there are many times in the post game commentary when I see people comment that they see MM's play calls a mile away. That's not good. If the fans have it scouted, the other teams do for sure.


Every coach has an expiration date when it's time to just move on. I hope Green Bay has someone else in mind right now because that's where this thing is headed. That takes nothing away from what he has done to this point. It's about the time AR has left to help this team, and not squandering that.

[Fritz]

Therein lies the quandary for the team last off-season. How tempting was it to just make a break from MM after retiring TT? The concern being how long would it take for a new coach/staff to meet or surpass the level of play we are now seeing with MM, and the clock ticking on AR's career.

I think that no matter who is at the helm, whether MM or any other HC, after a while, unless you continuously innovate or change things up, the opponents will have you figured out, know your tendencies. One way around that is to draft well, and that has been a mixed bag lately. More to the first point, there are many times in the post game commentary when I see people comment that they see MM's play calls a mile away. That's not good. If the fans have it scouted, the other teams do for sure.


Every coach has an expiration date when it's time to just move on. I hope Green Bay has someone else in mind right now because that's where this thing is headed. That takes nothing away from what he has done to this point. It's about the time AR has left to help this team, and not squandering that.

It's a tough call, and one I'm glad I don't have to make. If you look at the Detroit Lions, you could see their recent moves as an example of how a poor-man's Green Bay Packer situation could go.

The Lions fired Jim Caldwell last year. On the one hand, he was their most successful coach since - wait for it - Wayne Fontes. He got them to the playoffs a couple of times, which is more than they'd had in a while. Yet he seemed like his ceiling was 9-7, so the GM fired him because he said the team had more talent than a 9-7 record.

So in with the new hotshot assistant, Mike Patricia, from New England. Fast forward to today, and the Lions are drifting at 2-4 and just traded Golden Tate away to the Eagles, essentially writing off the season - for a team that was supposedly more talented than Caldwell's 9-7.

Yet I see the argument for ditching McCarthy - but is that just me thinking it's all stale, or could a new coach rejuvenate this thing? And will Murphy have the balls to make such a call, since he won't let Gute do it?