next 5 games...how many L's?

[Fritz]

Well, Bretsky has been consistent - he sees this team as perennially just good enough to get into the playoffs, thanks to Arod, but feels TT and Mike have fallen short.

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, having grown up in the 70's and 80's, I have seen what it's like to have a truly bumbling organization. It's no fun. This ride, from Wolf through even Sherman and then Ted, has been wonderful. We're spoiled.

On the other hand, as much as I was a fan of Ted's, I see also that his more recent drafts have just not been enough to get this team over the hump and to the SB. They do seem to be lacking talent at OLB, offensive line, and safety, and before Gute's draft, cornerback and wide receiver, too. I mostly blame Mike for the Seattle playoff loss that would've seen this team in a second Super Bowl.

So is one SB win and a bunch of playoff games enough? For me, it's sometimes frustrating, yet I appreciate that this has been a damn good run. If you don't believe me, go back and re-live the clownshow that was the 70's and 80's. Well, except that one lovely year when they had that great offense with Lofton and Dickey and Coffman, I think. What a great offense. A fun year in the barren desert that was Packer football in those days.

[texaspackerbacker]

Excellent Summary. Fair and Balanced.

[Fritz]

Like Fox News!

[bobblehead]

I, too, am a pessimist, for in a system designed to keep the downtrodden down, hope is but an illusion.

However, it is worth noting that in 2012, the Packers were 2-3 when they visited the undefeated Texans down there yonder in ole hillbilly Texas, and the Packers managed to annihilate the Texans in hippie fashions.

Beat them damn St. Louis Rams, and we all might as well get our fire ready, cos if the Pack can beat the Rams, no reason they can’t proceed all the way to the lost city of Atlanta and burn it to the ground (again) on Super Bowl Sunday.

Credit where due. I have been talking about that texans game all week to my friends as an example of the cockroach surviving when he should be done.

[bobblehead]

They then qualify for the playoffs, win a WC game and then lose a Divisional game that they never lead, scoring some meaningless 2nd half points, final score within 7.

And stubby saves his job.....FUCK!!!!

[Rutnstrut]

Well, Bretsky has been consistent - he sees this team as perennially just good enough to get into the playoffs, thanks to Arod, but feels TT and Mike have fallen short.

I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, having grown up in the 70's and 80's, I have seen what it's like to have a truly bumbling organization. It's no fun. This ride, from Wolf through even Sherman and then Ted, has been wonderful. We're spoiled.

On the other hand, as much as I was a fan of Ted's, I see also that his more recent drafts have just not been enough to get this team over the hump and to the SB. They do seem to be lacking talent at OLB, offensive line, and safety, and before Gute's draft, cornerback and wide receiver, too. I mostly blame Mike for the Seattle playoff loss that would've seen this team in a second Super Bowl.

So is one SB win and a bunch of playoff games enough? For me, it's sometimes frustrating, yet I appreciate that this has been a damn good run. If you don't believe me, go back and re-live the clownshow that was the 70's and 80's. Well, except that one lovely year when they had that great offense with Lofton and Dickey and Coffman, I think. What a great offense. A fun year in the barren desert that was Packer football in those days.

I too was a fan in the 70's and 80's albeit pretty young. But just because I remember that crap doesn't mean I'm happy with high level mediocrity.

[mraynrand]

But just because I remember that crap doesn't mean I'm happy with high level mediocrity.

I'm not sure what that is, but I think I'd like it better than low-level mediocrity.

[red]

I'm not sure what that is, but I think I'd like it better than low-level mediocrity.

neither one gets you super bowls, but lower mediocrity gets you better picks to help get you out of mediocity

[mraynrand]

neither one gets you super bowls, but lower mediocrity gets you better picks to help get you out of mediocity

Like Harrell Hawk and Reynolds?

[Joemailman]

Like Harrell Hawk and Reynolds?

Could be worse.

[Rutnstrut]

I'm not sure what that is, but I think I'd like it better than low-level mediocrity.

IDK, as red already hit on. Shittier means better draft picks. But I think there are more holes than the draft can fix in the window AR has left.

[mraynrand]

IDK, as red already hit on. Shittier means better draft picks.

Not necessarily. And winning is so difficult that 10+ win seasons and playoffs most every year should not be undervalued. Yeah, you want that championship, but in the extreme socialist, Harrison Bergeron NFL, forces are working against the successful.

[gbgary]

IDK, as red already hit on. Shittier means better draft picks. But I think there are more holes than the draft can fix in the window AR has left.

yup. look at cle. they're on the brink. when MM moves on to cle this off-season he'll have a good qb on a rookie contract, a great gm, a good d, and another high 1st round pick, to start off with.

as for the Rodgers window, this off-season will tell the tail. lots of draft capitol and cap room. if something significant can't be done in the next two seasons it ain't happening.

[bobblehead]

By this point in my life as a Packer fan, especially in the last ten years or so, I think it's pretty clear how this will go:

After the off week, the Packers put in an impressive performance against the Rams. They might lose a close one, they might hang for a while and get blown out, and if they do lose, then . . .

They'll go to NE on the heels of despair and beat the Pats at home.

OR, if they do somehow upset the Rams, they'll then lose to the Pats at home.

Got it so far?

They'll then be 4-3-1, and people will cling to hope. Then they'll beat the Dolphins at home, going 5-3-1, and people will start talking about this team making a run. Seattle will look fairly mediocre, and people will be confident.

Then they'll go out to Seattle and lose, then compound that by losing to the Vikes.

So there we will all be, with a 5-5-1 team. And that will be what they are.

I couldn't remember where I saw this, so I spent like 15 minutes searching. I have a hunch this is going to go down as one of the great posts in Rats history. I plan on bumping this each step that is correct. It could end right here tonight with a humiliating loss, but it rang so accurate when I first read it that I think we win tonight.

[red]

yup. look at cle. they're on the brink. when MM moves on to cle this off-season he'll have a good qb on a rookie contract, a great gm, a good d, and another high 1st round pick, to start off with.

as for the Rodgers window, this off-season will tell the tail. lots of draft capitol and cap room. if something significant can't be done in the next two seasons it ain't happening.

i don't know if fat mike can win with just a decent or very good QB

he might need HOFers

lets say we manage to somehow lose 4 out o these 5 games. we still may be in the hunt for a playoff spot

that just shows how terrible the nfc and nfc north are this year