Hypothetical Next Coach of the Green Bay Packers

[mraynrand]

... to win a lot of races with a 3 wheeled car that was only running on 5 of 8 cylinders.

I think that's relevant, but that's not Stubby's fault - entirely. That's why they torpedoed TT. Because he kept coming up 3 cylinders short. So, bad parts procurement (TT), failing design (Stubby), and injured driver (Rodgers). The plant owners decided to keep the driver, and replace everything else.

[Fosco33]

As long as their first name isn’t mike. Let’s get a little original.

[mraynrand]

It definitely put McCarthy in a box at the end, but I bet Rodgers feels that touchdown to check down and dwindling talent left him exposed as well. For a couple years.

I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a Rodgers moment: "Geezus Christ Stubby, look at the crap they run in NE! Why can't you design an offense like that? It would cover for a lot of holes. P.S. Ted Thompson is in bad shape - like Captain Pike from that Trek episode. Do something!"

[Smidgeon]

As long as their first name isn’t mike. Let’s get a little original.

I thought it was a requirement. M4, here we come!

[pbmax]

I thought it was a requirement. M4, here we come!

I am pro M4.

[pbmax]

I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a Rodgers moment: "Geezus Christ Stubby, look at the crap they run in NE! Why can't you design an offense like that? It would cover for a lot of holes. P.S. Ted Thompson is in bad shape - like Captain Pike from that Trek episode. Do something!"

Ben Fennel was on Michael Cohen's podcast last week. He is The Athletic's film breakdown dude. He also works with Mayock and NFL Film/Network.

He says the offense still has progressions and reads, but its so attuned to alerts and single coverage outside (big play opportunities) that its easy to lose sight of the construction of the offense.

He thinks it cannot be Rodgers alone or the offense would not change on a dime during the 2 minute drill or when he is hurt or the O line is hobbled.

But I would love to know why they couldn't agree to dial it back. I think it goes back to staleness against its achilles heel, the cover 2 man with 4 man pass rush.

[Joemailman]

I am pro M4.

Holmgren and Favre both listed at 1000 -1 to get the job. If Holmgren got it, would he be M1 or M4?

Defilippo the favorite at 2-1.

[Bretsky]

Rob Demovsky said this on the Dan Patrick Show:

He opened with the observation that this was a Browns like move firing the coach, ironic considering the Packers brain trust in Cleveland. I suppose this is in reference to an in season firing after a lackluster stretch like that which got Hue canned earlier. OK, whatever. Bad joke that no one got.

Then the interview:

What role did and will Aaron Rodgers play in the GBP coaching situation?

Well, he's got to have a guy he can work with and the coach has to be able to work with him. That was basically the gist of my piece that's up on ESPN.com now. The pressure is now, a little bit, back on Rodgers, because right or wrong, its perceived that he orchestrated this. Look, the relationship with McCarthy wasn't what it had been, they did win a lot of games together. They did have conflict, but they were always able to win; but once you couldn't win, the conflict became, probably, the reason that they didn't.

So conflict was good for, or indifferent to, success. But when success left, the reason it left was because conflict.

It's no coincidence that other guys who do radio (Wilde - who is no bulldog and Heller - who is a complete homer but almost a bulldog) asked actual point blank questions and got the best answers of the press conference. Demovsky is a terrible writer and thinker.


Let me paint Rob a picture that is devoid of conflict:
As the talent dwindled, Rodgers did not know how to make McCarthy's offense work any longer. The whole Rodgers offense, that kept the offense off life support for years, couldn't work with just Adams and rookies and the corpse of Jimmy Graham.

Could the pure unadulterated McCarthy offense still work? Why don't you ask the last few Seahawk and Browns teams about that vaunted Holmgren offense.

DID YOU CATCH THE NAMEDROPS FOR HEAD COACHES that "apparently" people inside Lambeau really like ?

I gasped when I heard Jimmy Harbaugh

Everybody likes Josh McDaniels.

I've spent years preparing the forum for Hoody Genius JR

Can we call him HG2 ?

[Bretsky]

Holmgren and Favre both listed at 1000 -1 to get the job. If Holmgren got it, would he be M1 or M4?

Defilippo the favorite at 2-1.

I SAW THAT; AWESOME that they are placing odds already

HG2 is not far behind him

I HAVE EVEN A GREATER IDEA

After NE gets bounced from the playoffs.....we put a full court press on HG2

BB thinks his time is short and decides to step down with some encouragement from Kraft since it's inevitable McDaniels is leaving if he doesn't get the head coach job

FOLLOWING ME...…………...YOU KNOW WHAT"S NEXT

GB HIRES HOODY GENIUS

[QBME]

I SAW THAT; AWESOME that they are placing odds already

HG2 is not far behind him

I HAVE EVEN A GREATER IDEA

After NE gets bounced from the playoffs.....we put a full court press on HG2

BB thinks his time is short and decides to step down with some encouragement from Kraft since it's inevitable McDaniels is leaving if he doesn't get the head coach job

FOLLOWING ME...…………...YOU KNOW WHAT"S NEXT

GB HIRES HOODY GENIUS

You guys crack me up....!!!...

[call_me_ishmael]

I forgot about Josh McDaniels. I'd happily take him assuming everything checks out with the whole bailing-on-the-colts thing.

[denverYooper]

I forgot about Josh McDaniels. I'd happily take him assuming everything checks out with the whole bailing-on-the-colts thing.

Ohhh boy. Before that kerfluffle, McDaniels was a disaster in Denver in his first go at HC. He turned out to be a bit of tyrant, not unlike what we're seeing with Patricia in Detriot. Once they started losing, he came undone and came off more as a petulant child. Local sports yak still plays sound drops of him screaming at players.

It seems these (especially younger) guys under Hoody's tutelage see the controlling part of the persona and think that's all there is to running a Belichickian program. They probably lack much of the depth that goes into Hoody's approach -- he has several levels of "firm but fair". They also forget that winning has to come out of it or guys will get tired real quick of micromanagement.

Maybe McDaniels has learned more since his first stint at HC but his antics vis-à-vis Indianapolis leave me doubtful about his maturation. That little move was strike 2 on his record and I'd be real nervous about his next HC gig. I don't doubt he can build an offense. I do doubt he can lead a team of men.

[denverYooper]

That said, I would be on board with them hiring the original Hoody if Bretsky's chain of events came to pass.

[pbmax]

DID YOU CATCH THE NAMEDROPS FOR HEAD COACHES that "apparently" people inside Lambeau really like ?

I gasped when I heard Jimmy Harbaugh

Everybody likes Josh McDaniels.

I've spent years preparing the forum for Hoody Genius JR

Can we call him HG2 ?

I was too mad to listen to the rest of it. His head is so far down the conflict hole that several years of offensive putridity don't seem to bother him.

[pbmax]

I think I want Lincoln Riley.