Hypothetical Next Coach of the Green Bay Packers

[denverYooper]

OK.

I think generally I was imagining Payton Manning's career, several years with Dungy and another stint with Fox. But even that only netted 1 Super Bowl win.

It wasn't until Von Miller's ascendancy that Manning was dragged to the 2nd one, and that was under Kubiak.

So I guess the bottom line is they need to tank and draft a stud edge rusher to really get another shot. Maybe that's why they made Philbin interim HC

[Deputy Nutz]

I would love to see Jim Harbaugh sucker punch Arod!

[pbmax]

I think generally I was imagining Payton Manning's career, several years with Dungy and another stint with Fox. But even that only netted 1 Super Bowl win.

It wasn't until Von Miller's ascendancy that Manning was dragged to the 2nd one, and that was under Kubiak.

So I guess the bottom line is they need to tank and draft a stud edge rusher to really get another shot. Maybe that's why they made Philbin interim HC

Given this:

mike freeman @mikefreemanNFL
Jeff Saturday, on ESPN, on his last year in GB with Aaron Rodgers: "...when you'd be in the huddle, and Mike McCarthy would make the play call, you could see Aaron's frustration. Whether it be the eye roll..."
Said a lot of the players questioned the play calls.


I think Rodgers should be the OC like Manning was.

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Murphy claimed his years in football made him an NFL man. Also cited college experience hiring coaches, including football coaches.

Besides Pat Fitzgerald, did he hire anyone of note at Colgate or Northwestern?

[pbmax]

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
T Bryan Bulaga said negativity about McCarthy was unwarranted. “You knew you were going to be in it every year here. Plus, he’s a great man. It was an honor to play for him.”

Tom Silverstein @TomSilverstein
#Packers players saying they found out about McCarthy firing on Twitter and TV. McCarthy did not get a chance to address the team.

Karley Marotta @Karley_Marotta
All football aside, I always admired Mike McCarthy as a person.Nearly 4 years ago he took the time to come to my fathers funeral in Milwaukee. At training camp this year,he walked with me discussing fond memories of my dad. He was a bright light in dark times. I wish him the best

Wilde And Tausch @WildeAndTausch
Kuhn: He’s a man of principle and he’s a man of pride…. Even if he felt he was going to be relieved of his duties at the end of the season, he would have pushed for the #Packers because that’s who he is.

[Pugger]

I would love to see Jim Harbaugh sucker punch Arod!

Because...?

[mraynrand]

Jeff Saturday, on ESPN, on his last year in GB with Aaron Rodgers: "...when you'd be in the huddle, and Mike McCarthy would make the play call, you could see Aaron's frustration. Whether it be the eye roll..."
Said a lot of the players questioned the play calls.

This worries me far more about Rodgers than Stubby, especially now that Stubbys gone. This non verbal crap is for high schoolers and even not then.

[pbmax]

Rob Demovsky said this on the Dan Patrick Show:

He opened with the observation that this was a Browns like move firing the coach, ironic considering the Packers brain trust in Cleveland. I suppose this is in reference to an in season firing after a lackluster stretch like that which got Hue canned earlier. OK, whatever. Bad joke that no one got.

Then the interview:

What role did and will Aaron Rodgers play in the GBP coaching situation?

Well, he's got to have a guy he can work with and the coach has to be able to work with him. That was basically the gist of my piece that's up on ESPN.com now. The pressure is now, a little bit, back on Rodgers, because right or wrong, its perceived that he orchestrated this. Look, the relationship with McCarthy wasn't what it had been, they did win a lot of games together. They did have conflict, but they were always able to win; but once you couldn't win, the conflict became, probably, the reason that they didn't.

So conflict was good for, or indifferent to, success. But when success left, the reason it left was because conflict.

It's no coincidence that other guys who do radio (Wilde - who is no bulldog and Heller - who is a complete homer but almost a bulldog) asked actual point blank questions and got the best answers of the press conference. Demovsky is a terrible writer and thinker.


Let me paint Rob a picture that is devoid of conflict:
As the talent dwindled, Rodgers did not know how to make McCarthy's offense work any longer. The whole Rodgers offense, that kept the offense off life support for years, couldn't work with just Adams and rookies and the corpse of Jimmy Graham.

Could the pure unadulterated McCarthy offense still work? Why don't you ask the last few Seahawk and Browns teams about that vaunted Holmgren offense.

[woodbuck27]

Whomever the Packers bring in he must be on the same page with the Packers GM and excited to work with whatever is left of Aaron Rodgers.

This season has made it very obvious that the Packers have been 'stuck on stall'. It's high time to go into overhaul mode and to rebuild the Packers at the WR and TE position. To readdress the Roster and the OL, WR, TE and Special Teams. To get more on the DL and ( again) LBer positions.

To seriously address the reason we see so many players falling to serious injury year after year.

It won't matter what we have as a HC unless we see Goot clean house and acquire an upgrade of new talent. This is his Era now and the Aaron Rodgers (arguably the greatest talent at the QB position in NFL history ) window, may already have or certainly is closing.

This Season was way beyond just disappointing. I wanted MM gone last year and saw him as 'the weakest link'.

Finally Packer Nation can move on from that. There is a whole lot of need and realistically my hope is another Super Bowl appearance in three seasons.

GO PACK GO !

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This worries me far more about Rodgers than Stubby, especially now that Stubbys gone. This non verbal crap is for high schoolers and even not then.

Perhaps. But it casts the loss of Sitton in a different light. If he was a member of a chorus, McCarthy was sending a message to the others.

Regardless of who was right or wrong, people started to lose faith in the offense years ago. Was Rodgers carrying the corpse of the offense around for that long?

[mraynrand]

Whomever the Packers bring in he must be on the same page with the Packers GM and excited to work with whatever is left of Aaron Rodgers.

A remnant will always remain!

[mraynrand]

Perhaps. But it casts the loss of Sitton in a different light. If he was a member of a chorus, McCarthy was sending a message to the others.

Regardless of who was right or wrong, people started to lose faith in the offense years ago. Was Rodgers carrying the corpse of the offense around for that long?

Sure I suppose it's possible. But are we really to believe that for the past three years Rodgers and Stubby can meet over and over and never actually come to some understanding that the receivers can't get open on their own so there's nothing to do but scramble drill? That they have been at an impasse for years? I can believe it somewhat because then that would set up a totally believable scenario whereby Rodgers talks with Murph and Gute and they collectively realize there's no possible way forward without getting rid of Stubby. So, sign Rodgers long term, maneuver Stubby out by making him unpopular with more losing and voila - Rodgers gets his new coach, new offense, etc. etc. And the greek chorus sings in unison in support.

But is there any proof?

[Rutnstrut]

Sure I suppose it's possible. But are we really to believe that for the past three years Rodgers and Stubby can meet over and over and never actually come to some understanding that the receivers can't get open on their own so there's nothing to do but scramble drill? That they have been at an impasse for years? I can believe it somewhat because then that would set up a totally believable scenario whereby Rodgers talks with Murph and Gute and they collectively realize there's no possible way forward without getting rid of Stubby. So, sign Rodgers long term, maneuver Stubby out by making him unpopular with more losing and voila - Rodgers gets his new coach, new offense, etc. etc. And the greek chorus sings in unison in support.

But is there any proof?

The proof is stubby always doing the same thing and hoping for a different outcome. It would have been painfully obvious if not for Rodgers being good enough to win a lot of races with a 3 wheeled car that was only running on 5 of 8 cylinders. That is until he wasn't, or didn't want to anymore.

[mraynrand]

The proof is stubby always doing the same thing and hoping for a different outcome. It would have been painfully obvious if not for Rodgers being good enough to win a lot of races with a 3 wheeled car that was only running on 5 of 8 cylinders.

I mean, is there any evidence they (Stubby and Rodgers) talked about the offense and couldn't come to an understanding about it. I don't know what Rodgers thought about their relationship - whether he could talk with Stubby about the architecture of the offense, or just had to make crap up on the fly when receivers never came open. I'm just guessing, but it looks like Stubby was Stubby and pretty much said 'my way or the highway' and Rodger's only resource was to roll his eyes and sing with the greek chorus. Maybe, at some point, he had conversations with Murph and Gute (and put the bug in their ear about Stubby and his offense). But what do we know for certain about that?

[pbmax]

Sure I suppose it's possible. But are we really to believe that for the past three years Rodgers and Stubby can meet over and over and never actually come to some understanding that the receivers can't get open on their own so there's nothing to do but scramble drill? That they have been at an impasse for years? I can believe it somewhat because then that would set up a totally believable scenario whereby Rodgers talks with Murph and Gute and they collectively realize there's no possible way forward without getting rid of Stubby. So, sign Rodgers long term, maneuver Stubby out by making him unpopular with more losing and voila - Rodgers gets his new coach, new offense, etc. etc. And the greek chorus sings in unison in support.

But is there any proof?

All just speculation, but I believe its precisely that. He's not called Stubby for no reason after all

I bet they were meeting like exactly like that for quite a while, though the recent SI/Yahoo piece made it seem like they were less frequently meeting in the QB workroom. Rodgers didn't like the nothing but tight windows with deteriorating pass blocking and McCarthy didn't like the changing plays. I'd bet they were both happy the extended offense worked because it was the team's salvation a number of times AND was the 4th Quarter playbook the last two seasons.

So there were grudging compromises. I would suspect that Stubby gave some ground with the new plays sprinkled into the 15 opening plays script and other half measures like that. Rodgers agrees to run x, Y or Z and not change it just because he didn't believe in it anymore. They probably put some practice time into working on the base plays working better.

But that is a gum and twine job of stitching together an offense.

You add in rookie WRs and its not even an average offense in the NFL. They couldn't run Rodgers' stuff and at times they didn't run McCarthy's stuff correctly.

It definitely put McCarthy in a box at the end, but I bet Rodgers feels that touchdown to check down and dwindling talent left him exposed as well. For a couple years.