More Banjo: Week 9 @ New England

[texaspackerbacker]

Interestingly, I think there's a young, talented nucleus on each side of the ball. The offense has Adams, Linsley, Bakh MVS, Jones, EQ (projecting a little on him) to go with a Rodgers that hasn't run out of gas yet. The defense has Alexander, King, and Clark (and hopefully Jackson and Jones).

Well said. I'd add Martinez to that and maybe subtract Bakhtiari. Whitehead is beginning to look like a keeper too.

All of that plus a healthy Rodgers and what we can draft and sign in the off-season makes the future bright and the present not exactly hopeless also.

[pbmax]

I waded through 34 posts in this thread: panic, wrongheadedness sheeeesh!

Two weeks in a row now, we came damn close against arguably 2 of the 3 best teams in the league in road games. We shoulda won against the Rams, and if we hadn't gotten snake bit - AGAIN - with the Jones fumble, we woulda been in the drivers seat against the Patriots.

Should McCarthy get fired? Maybe. It's something to consider after the season, but I doubt it happens. I thought he called a better game than usual against New England - actually throwing it down the field a lot and mixing in runs with a good degree of success.

What a bunch of idiotic whiners in here regarding Aaron Rodgers. He clearly outplayed the other candidate for GOAT despite getting pressured horribly by the pass rush (at one point, the commentator said 46% of the time compared to just the one sack and nothing else close for Brady).

What is the real problem? Anybody in this forum knows in advance what I'm gonna say: personnel - our pathetic O Line was actually not as bad as usual, opening a few holes for RBs and once or twice actually giving Rodgers a decent pocket - the kind Brady gets virtually all the time. Just the same, the only way you could say our O Line did good would be extremely low expectations. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT POINT WAS THAT THE PATRIOTS GOT ALL THAT PRESSURE ON OUR QB WITH ONLY 4 PASS RUSHERS. The only way we ever got near Brady was with all out blitzes - which we SHOULD have done more often.

The patchwork D did a fairly decent job. Tramon was at least as good in coverage as Clinton-Dix and he stuck his nose in and made some nice tackles. Breeland was at least decent at Corner. The back up Safetys weren't horrible; Whitehead showed signs of being a quality player until the asshole ref kicked him out.

This is certainly not the time to panic and get stupid - as several people in this thread and the gameday thread seem to be doing.

How can you describe losing by 14 points as close? I much prefer being optimistic and still am about the rest of this season, but they were flat outclassed last night.

The Defense held on as long as it could but the Offense couldn't deliver once it went off the script. This story goes back to 2011 KC game. Or teh playoff loss to the 49ers at Home in the Wild Card game.

The scheme sucks, regardless of the uptick during the no huddle of 2014.

[pbmax]

OK, on offense they are marginal at starting talent. Graham is missing one knee and he doesn't run all that well. I can only hope Cobb is hurt, but regardless, he's almost completely ineffective. They have some second-tier rookie talent, which would create real problems with good starters, but the Patsies were able to go and shut down exxon valdez and still blanket Adams. Rodgers won't throw to a covered Graham, and Cobb can't get open either. Even with extensive scheming, there's no guarantee these guys get free. Their only option is Rodgers putting the ball right into their hands. And that's If the blocking holds up, but WTH with Taylor crapping out when they are desperate? Oh well, it always looks the darkest after a road loss to 'Cheat.

Teams with worse talent get them open short and immediately with scheme (see New England prior to Gordon signing and Edelman returning). Look at any of the slants that Adams and Allison ran earlier this year out of a stack when they were afraid of Rodgers going down.

The Packers offense is definitely short on talent compared to its past units, but the problem isn't talent dependent. Its the 1 on 1 isolation routes 3x1 formation the has been snuffed out. Everyone knows it but the coach. Manning ran all the same stuff for years, but it was constantly tweaked and he controlled the offense. McCarthy runs out of new ideas as soon as he finishes the script. They it looks like the same old offense.

If the receivers are top line AND the O line can hold blocks for 5 seconds, it works. But unless you are Ted 1.0, that doesn't happen all that often.

Rodgers isn't playing well (how can he not know how to throw a screen pass by year 11?) but why does the team make it hard on him when other teams make it easy on young QBs?

[pbmax]

Its not time to panic. The cupboard isn't bare, but its not exactly well stocked like it used to be. Poor drafts, poor decisions on who to retain, big contracts and age will do that to a team.

They need a coach on offense who can create a functional offense without dominant matchups at QB, WR and the O line.

Its that simple. M4 is doing more with less right now on defense. McCarthy has been doing less with more since 2014.

[Rutnstrut]

So it's largely agreed here, stubby is most of the problem?

[pbmax]

So it's largely agreed here, stubby is most of the problem?

His base offense is the source of the problem. But on Game Day, its about 50/50.

But I think Rodgers will perform better in someone else's offense. M3 has had two shots at redesigning this thing since 2010 and only one of those rebuilds (no huddle) took for any appreciable amount of time.

Its worth noting that rebuild won an MVP award. But it doesn't work with a rebuilding team.

[Joemailman]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...ots-in-week-9/

OLB Nick Perry

Either Perry has a limiting ankle injury or he’s regressed to replacement-level as an edge rusher. For much of the season, Perry has been a non-factor, especially as a rusher. Nothing changed Sunday night. He has no explosiveness around the corner and rarely powers a left tackle into the pocket. He doesn’t affect the quarterback and the Patriots ran at him without fear Sunday night. Kyler Fackrell has probably been the better player this season.

Holy...

[Rutnstrut]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...ots-in-week-9/



Holy...

Better put perry on suicide watch.

[texaspackerbacker]

How can you describe losing by 14 points as close? I much prefer being optimistic and still am about the rest of this season, but they were flat outclassed last night.

The Defense held on as long as it could but the Offense couldn't deliver once it went off the script. This story goes back to 2011 KC game. Or teh playoff loss to the 49ers at Home in the Wild Card game.

The scheme sucks, regardless of the uptick during the no huddle of 2014.

It's safe to say if we had taken it in for a TD when Jones fumbled, we would have been a strong bet to win. Without that drive extending bad call on roughing the punter, we would have been in much better position to win. They kinda gave up and didn't finish strong, but I certainly wouldn't say "flat outclassed". They lost to one of the top teams at their place in a game they arguably coulda and shoulda won - after doing the same against an even better team the week before.

Assuming you mean the offensive scheme, I liked what I saw in the Patriots game more than anytime recently, maybe because Rodgers was healthier - more throwing the ball down the field and taking advantage of Rodgers' mobility - the exact thing some people stupidly criticize.

The Packers screwed up badly against Detroit and Washington, but they should be 6-2 right now. There are a few tough games on the schedule ahead too, but there is still a strong chance of winning the division and being the team nobody wants to face in the postseason.

[red]

His base offense is the source of the problem. But on Game Day, its about 50/50.

But I think Rodgers will perform better in someone else's offense. M3 has had two shots at redesigning this thing since 2010 and only one of those rebuilds (no huddle) took for any appreciable amount of time.

Its worth noting that rebuild won an MVP award. But it doesn't work with a rebuilding team.

i think we can now safely say that fat mikes line about once again revamping the offense was once again a complete line of bullshit. the offence hasn't changed at all in a few years

someone needs to hold him accountable for saying he'll fix it every offseason, then doing nothing about it

[Bossman641]

The worst thing I can say about the offense is they make everything look so difficult. You never see guys schemed open.

[call_me_ishmael]

This whole notion that players aren't schemed open is sort of dispelled by the beat writers love of video on Twitter. They show a lot of examples of players being schemed open with picks, etc. Nagler and Kruse are the two best about showing this sort of thing.

[Bossman641]

This whole notion that players aren't schemed open is sort of dispelled by the beat writers love of video on Twitter. They show a lot of examples of players being schemed open with picks, etc. Nagler and Kruse are the two best about showing this sort of thing.

Occasionally, yes. But compare them to other teams and it's night and day.

[red]

This whole notion that players aren't schemed open is sort of dispelled by the beat writers love of video on Twitter. They show a lot of examples of players being schemed open with picks, etc. Nagler and Kruse are the two best about showing this sort of thing.

So they show the 2 or 3 times we use it every game?

[Pugger]

So it's largely agreed here, stubby is most of the problem?

He is part of the problem. The main problem seems to be the wasted drafts the past 3 years with TT and his refusal to dip into FA to bolster the roster after his draft failings.