More Banjo: Week 9 @ New England

[call_me_ishmael]

Occasionally, yes. But compare them to other teams and it's night and day.

Do you have evidence of this claim? I would agree the Packers don't run a college style offense like the Chiefs do with jet sweeps, read option, etc. I would like to see them do so but I am not sure of the right coach to implement it. Thinking Tom Herman or ol' Urb (despite my utter disdain for him as a person).

[pbmax]

Occasionally, yes. But compare them to other teams and it's night and day.

McCarthy has used it some this year. The slants out of a bunch, etc. but he doesn’t stick with it.

Watch after the first scripted 15 plays. No more schemed open.

Pay special attention to Rodgers comebacks this year. It’s all 3x1 spread with no bunch and very little motion.

There is no doubt Rodgers ignores the short open routes too much. But McCarthys base offense, the one they revert to after the weekly game plan is spent, is still woefully short of good concepts for winning versus man coverage.

[pbmax]

It's safe to say if we had taken it in for a TD when Jones fumbled, we would have been a strong bet to win. Without that drive extending bad call on roughing the punter, we would have been in much better position to win. They kinda gave up and didn't finish strong, but I certainly wouldn't say "flat outclassed". They lost to one of the top teams at their place in a game they arguably coulda and shoulda won - after doing the same against an even better team the week before

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The Packers screwed up badly against Detroit and Washington, but they should be 6-2 right now. There are a few tough games on the schedule ahead too, but there is still a strong chance of winning the division and being the team nobody wants to face in the postseason.

What evidence is there that if Jones doesn’t fumble that they score? Not even close to certain given how the offense has run this year.

This team has made key mistakes in each game this year, especially with turnovers. Jones miscue was almost predictable.

When push has come to shove this year Packers have flinched too often. They are the very essence of a mediocre, 500 club.

[pbmax]

Slants aren’t the only thing happening this year. Partial mentioned pick plays which are nice. They also are running mesh and crossing routes. But when push comes to shove in tight games it’s the same old offense.

M3 is still trying to get a lead then cruise with the base offense after the open. It ain’t working well enough.

[texaspackerbacker]

What evidence is there that if Jones doesn’t fumble that they score? Not even close to certain given how the offense has run this year.

This team has made key mistakes in each game this year, especially with turnovers. Jones miscue was almost predictable.

When push has come to shove this year Packers have flinched too often. They are the very essence of a mediocre, 500 club.

On the 23 yard line and driving? Would you bet against them scoring there? It's the essence of a snake bit team. Losing that close and that way on the road to two of the best teams in the league is not a sign of mediocrity - although several key position groups indeed are very mediocre. When you have a healthy Aaron Rodgers, you're never a strong bet to lose to anybody.

[denverYooper]

When push has come to shove this year Packers have flinched too often. They are the very essence of a mediocre, 500 club.

QFT

[Fritz]

On the 23 yard line and driving? Would you bet against them scoring there? It's the essence of a snake bit team. Losing that close and that way on the road to two of the best teams in the league is not a sign of mediocrity - although several key position groups indeed are very mediocre. When you have a healthy Aaron Rodgers, you're never a strong bet to lose to anybody.

Snake bit? Snake bit is having player after player at key positions get injured. That was the Packers in several of the past years, but this year, they've been pretty healthy.

No, this ain't snakebit. This is mediocrity.

[mraynrand]

Snake bit? Snake bit is having player after player at key positions get injured. That was the Packers in several of the past years, but this year, they've been pretty healthy.

No, this ain't snakebit. This is mediocrity.

Yes, they've lost depth everywhere, and the draft failures at DB and O-line in recent years have forced them to use precious picks to recover. They only have about 5 blue players (Adams, Clark, Daniels, Bacteria, Rodgers) and a lot of fair role-player starters. To win this year, they need everyone healthy and rookies J'xander, Jackson, Burks, Exxon Valdez Scantron,and EQ, to play like seasoned starters.

[pbmax]

Yes, they've lost depth everywhere, and the draft failures at DB and O-line in recent years have forced them to use precious picks to recover. They only have about 5 blue players (Adams, Clark, Daniels, Bacteria, Rodgers) and a lot of fair role-player starters. To win this year, they need everyone healthy and rookies J'xander, Jackson, Burks, Exxon Valdez Scantron,and EQ, to play like seasoned starters.

Blue players? Are you channeling Cleft?

[pbmax]

On the 23 yard line and driving? Would you bet against them scoring there? It's the essence of a snake bit team. Losing that close and that way on the road to two of the best teams in the league is not a sign of mediocrity - although several key position groups indeed are very mediocre. When you have a healthy Aaron Rodgers, you're never a strong bet to lose to anybody.

They are 53% to score a TD in the red zone. 20th in the League with a very good back, one great WR and a TE with a monster physical advantage. Oh, and the QB isn't too shabby.

Play started at the 34. Jones gained 6 to the 28 then fumbled to the 24. So yes, I would have bet against at TD at the 28 yard line.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

[texaspackerbacker]

Snake bit? Snake bit is having player after player at key positions get injured. That was the Packers in several of the past years, but this year, they've been pretty healthy.

No, this ain't snakebit. This is mediocrity.

Snakebit is being the victim of bad calls at critical times; Snakebit is having a long term reliable kicker suddenly turn to shit for one game - then immediately getting back to normal; Snakebit is having your best player hurt in game one and arguably reduced in effectiveness for the next 6 or so; Snakebit is a bonehead play compounded by a fumble cost you a game against probably the NFL best team at their place; Snakebit is having the first fumble of a RB's career as well as a bogus PF roughing the punter penalty cost you the game on the road against probably the second or third best NFL team ....... did I leave out anything?

It's a helluva lot more a sign of bad luck than mediocrity, although (as I've said probably more than anybody else) at certain position groups, the Packers certainly do have mediocre personnel.

[Rutnstrut]

Snakebit is being the victim of bad calls at critical times; Snakebit is having a long term reliable kicker suddenly turn to shit for one game - then immediately getting back to normal; Snakebit is having your best player hurt in game one and arguably reduced in effectiveness for the next 6 or so; Snakebit is a bonehead play compounded by a fumble cost you a game against probably the NFL best team at their place; Snakebit is having the first fumble of a RB's career as well as a bogus PF roughing the punter penalty cost you the game on the road against probably the second or third best NFL team ....... did I leave out anything?

It's a helluva lot more a sign of bad luck than mediocrity, although (as I've said probably more than anybody else) at certain position groups, the Packers certainly do have mediocre personnel.

Those are merely bumps in the road that a good team/coaching staff could roll right over.

[smuggler]

Actually, no level of talent or coaching could overcome the mistake in the Rams game, if we're being honest.

[Fosco33]

The jones drive when ‘Arod was hot’ was the definition of stupid to me. He made two very difficult and low likelihood throws and MVS made two great receptions. The odds of that happening consistently has been the major issue in this offense. We make the game too fricken difficult to consistently be successful.