Should They Stay Or Should They Go?

[Patler]

How do you keep that guy around after the lack of effort he showed. Forget production, he was hurt, but the lack of hustle and effort is what is particularly damning.

Really? When? Not suggesting you are wrong, it's just that I can't recall even one instance of thinking that when I watched the games.

Can you refresh my recollection, maybe?

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't have any links handy but many of the Packers bloggers would show highlights just about every week of him lolly gagging on multiple plays. Perhaps this sort of effort is more common than one would think and if someone focused in on them on tape, they'd find similar outcomes, I can't speak to that, but the videos are damning and make it look like he was phoning it in big time.

Here's one I found in a 30 second google search.

https://twitter.com/The_Green_Gold/status/1080190572567117826

https://twitter.com/SconnieSports/status/1049852763243450368

They're all over Twitter

[Joemailman]

I don't have any links handy but many of the Packers bloggers would show highlights just about every week of him lolly gagging on multiple plays. Perhaps this sort of effort is more common than one would think and if someone focused in on them on tape, they'd find similar outcomes, I can't speak to that, but the videos are damning and make it look like he was phoning it in big time.

Here's one I found in a 30 second google search.

https://twitter.com/The_Green_Gold/status/1080190572567117826

https://twitter.com/SconnieSports/status/1049852763243450368

They're all over Twitter

A guy who is phoning it in doesn't play with a broken thumb in cold weather after his team is out of playoff contention. I guess different people can see different things. I see a guy who can't jump and has difficulty changing directions because he has a bad knee.

[Bretsky]

A lot of mocks have Packers taking Fant at #30. I prefer Hockenson, but he might go earlier because of his all-around game.

Completely agree with you

I had Hockenson going to GB at the end of th e1st before somebody told me he probably wasn't even coming out.

Do you know the speed comparison between the two Iowa TE"s ? Hocker seems to be a stellar blocker as well

[pbmax]

I don't have any links handy but many of the Packers bloggers would show highlights just about every week of him lolly gagging on multiple plays. Perhaps this sort of effort is more common than one would think and if someone focused in on them on tape, they'd find similar outcomes, I can't speak to that, but the videos are damning and make it look like he was phoning it in big time.

Here's one I found in a 30 second google search.

https://twitter.com/The_Green_Gold/status/1080190572567117826

https://twitter.com/SconnieSports/status/1049852763243450368

They're all over Twitter

He's not a good blocker. That's not lack of effort, that is always how he has blocked.

The question you want to ask is: why did McCarthy use him to block?

As for the pass catching, he has not bend or snap left in his legs, so he can't leap for passes anymore. Best case is it either heals (seems unlikely) or they learn to throw him passes that he basically rebounds for catches (what Rand was arguing for in-season).

[Joemailman]

Completely agree with you

I had Hockenson going to GB at the end of th e1st before somebody told me he probably wasn't even coming out.

Do you know the speed comparison between the two Iowa TE"s ? Hocker seems to be a stellar blocker as well

Don't have a speed comparison since neither player (Fant or Hocksenon) was eligible for the Senior Bowl. General feeling is that Fant is a better downfield threat while Hockenson is a better all-around Tight End. However, I've been reading that Fant improved his blocking somewhat in 2018. I watched a tape of Fant vs. Penn State this past year. While Fant won't blow anybody away, he seemed to get pretty good position on seal blocks and downfield blocks. So while Hockenson is definitely the better blocker, Fant gives an effort and is not useless in that area. I guess it comes down to whether you want a Jimmy Graham-type (Fant) or a Jason Witten-type (Hockenson.)