More Banjo: Week 14 vs Atlanta

[Fritz]

There never seems to be an overall plan to what he chooses to run. Nothing ever builds on the previous play. He has said before that pattern play calling (in its most recognizable form, the triple option) doesn't work in the pros.

But what he's left with is calling runs just to balance out a first down pass or to go against tendency on first down. Its very limiting. Now he knows how to program against those tendencies (see first 15 play scripts), but when the game is on the line late, its the same old crap.

Not any more! Unleash the hook-and-lateral on the Bears! Run Aaron Jones twenty times! Have Rodgers pass short thirty times and long ten times!

[bobblehead]

There never seems to be an overall plan to what he chooses to run. Nothing ever builds on the previous play. He has said before that pattern play calling (in its most recognizable form, the triple option) doesn't work in the pros.

But what he's left with is calling runs just to balance out a first down pass or to go against tendency on first down. Its very limiting. Now he knows how to program against those tendencies (see first 15 play scripts), but when the game is on the line late, its the same old crap.

Basically. I always want to look at the defensive personnel and/or alignment and then do what they are least equipped to stop. I think the extreme inexperience at WR has really hurt us this season, along with Rodgers not quite being Rodgers.

[pbmax]

Basically. I always want to look at the defensive personnel and/or alignment and then do what they are least equipped to stop. I think the extreme inexperience at WR has really hurt us this season, along with Rodgers not quite being Rodgers.

Rodgers said this week that the Falcons played a lot of man so it was easy to read pre-snap.

Problem is if that takes over your offense, what other options have you developed? It also makes you completely predictable.

[mraynrand]

Rodgers said this week that the Falcons played a lot of man so it was easy to read pre-snap.

Problem is if that takes over your offense, what other options have you developed? It also makes you completely predictable.

Defensive coaches lure offenses into taking the 'easy route' then change coverages right before/at the snap. On a related note, expect to see Chicago LBs crowding the A gaps pre-snap on Sunday.

[Fritz]

I would blitz Rodgers a lot, as he seems less able to adjust to that these days. Just the opposite of how he used to be - or the team used to be, anyway.

[mraynrand]

I would blitz Rodgers a lot, as he seems less able to adjust to that these days. Just the opposite of how he used to be - or the team used to be, anyway.

As Minnesota showed, just threatening the blitz, seems to be effective in gumming up the offense. You can defeat that A-gap threat but it requires immediate recognition and adjustment by the whole offense. If the LBs rush, WRs run slants/shorten routes, RB goes pass pro(or quickly goes to check down spot/flat route), Linemen change blocking scheme, TE is reay for instant pass straight off line; and everything is opposite if LBs don't rush.

[texaspackerbacker]

I would blitz Rodgers a lot, as he seems less able to adjust to that these days. Just the opposite of how he used to be - or the team used to be, anyway.

It was a particular kind of blitz - coming from the outside on both sides and containing him from rolling out. Normally, Rodgers defeats the blitz better than just about anybody.

[pbmax]

Zimmer has always changed looks well versus the Packers, not sure its just the A gap pressure pre snap. Could be, but there are other problems.

In the last three games, even with starters, they are terrible at picking up any twist stunt.

This game requires the quick release offense. We'll see what we get and then perhaps judge Philbin's effect.

[texaspackerbacker]

Zimmer has always changed looks well versus the Packers, not sure its just the A gap pressure pre snap. Could be, but there are other problems.

In the last three games, even with starters, they are terrible at picking up any twist stunt.

This game requires the quick release offense. We'll see what we get and then perhaps judge Philbin's effect.

I disagree that this or any game requires a quick release offense. Mobility by the QB/escapability is what is required, especially against a team with a big pass rush like the Bears. A quick release offense is a recipe for disaster in the form of interceptions.

[mraynrand]

Zimmer has always changed looks well versus the Packers, not sure its just the A gap pressure pre snap.

Indeed. He has all sorts of tricks up his sleeve. But I thought the A Gap ruse was especially disruptive the last time they played. The key to defeating that - or any other pressure packages is very good recognition by everyone. That's where the inexperience becomes a problem. Tex is certainly correct that Rodger's mobility has been a huge factor in the past, but it mostly went hand-in-hand with linemen and receivers who knew what defensive schemes were being thrown at them.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Not any more! Unleash the hook-and-lateral on the Bears! Run Aaron Jones twenty times! Have Rodgers pass short thirty times and long ten times!

Problem is that Rodgers would just throw the ball away on 15 of those 40 passes.

[pbmax]

I disagree that this or any game requires a quick release offense. Mobility by the QB/escapability is what is required, especially against a team with a big pass rush like the Bears. A quick release offense is a recipe for disaster in the form of interceptions.

You need to watch the last Bears game again. The quick offense tore that D apart.

Bears have film on it now, so it can't be exclusively that, but a healthy dose.

[mraynrand]

You need to watch the last Bears game again. The quick offense tore that D apart.

Bears have film on it now, so it can't be exclusively that, but a healthy dose.

Exactly. That's where the game plan should start. I would put some special stuff in to work the edges and neutralize the LBs.

[texaspackerbacker]

I was there, and even with the bum leg, Rodgers got away from the rush and threw it down the field. Yeah, there was some quick stuff too, and a lot of run after the catch made it work too in that magical 4th quarter. Let the Bears use that film; Rodgers is a lot more mobile now. I hope they - like a lot of ya'all in here - expect the quick pass game. That way they will be less ready to stop the throws down field.

[mraynrand]

I was there, and even with the bum leg, Rodgers got away from the rush and threw it down the field. Yeah, there was some quick stuff too, and a lot of run after the catch made it work too in that magical 4th quarter. Let the Bears use that film; Rodgers is a lot more mobile now. I hope they - like a lot of ya'all in here - expect the quick pass game. That way they will be less ready to stop the throws down field.

I think they will expect throws down the field.