Bobbles Offseason Position group breakdown: Quarterbacks

[texaspackerbacker]

no. Why, is he "getting rid of the rock quick"? His O Line this year hasn't been up to previous standards.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No, as a matter of fact, Brady is a fairly immobile throw-it-down-the-field kind of QB most of the time who has gotten fantastic protection. I absolutely would not want my team's QB - be it Rodgers, Brady, or somebody lesser - to unload it quick most of the time. That is a recipe for interceptions and losses. Sure, you gotta mix in a few quick slants or quick outs or that kind of WR screen that some in here seem to hate, just like you have a few running plays for change of pace, but you win games by throwing it down the field 10 or 15 yards and occasionally more. And if your pass protection ain't good, you buy time scrambling in order to throw it down the field.

NE's offense is all about grinding proficiently. That means lots of quick passes - not saying that Brady can't bomb it (he can and does). J-Mac is a genius; he gets short, slow, white WRs, as well as midget RBs of all races, open quickly via the X's and O's. Doesn't hurt that he has the GOAT quarterbacking his offense.

[pbmax]

no. Why, is he "getting rid of the rock quick"? His O Line this year hasn't been up to previous standards.

They've scored three TDs before the mid way through the second and he hasn't help the ball longer than 3 seconds yet. Maybe on the sidelines when the defense is on the field.

[texaspackerbacker]

It must be nice to have an O Line that makes that possible instead of the QB needing to run for his life.

[mraynrand]

It must be nice to have an O Line that makes that possible instead of the QB needing to run for his life.

whut?

[gbgary]

Are you watching Brady right now?

brady was surgical. game was over midway thru the 2nd qtr. you play zone against ne at your own peril.

[pbmax]

brady was surgical. game was over midway thru the 2nd qtr. you play zone against ne at your own peril.

Seriously, whoever choose and whoever approved of that game plan should be fired for extended stupidity.

My dog knows you can't play a static old school zone against them.

[bobblehead]

It must be nice to have an O Line that makes that possible instead of the QB needing to run for his life.

Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit. Everyone who commented after my post understood (except you). The MM offense was stale and wrong in today's NFL. I really hope LaFlavor brings in this style.

Look at who is left standing. NE, NO, LA, KC.

What do they all have in common? A RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield and do something electric. What did we have? A coach who threw a hissy fit and traded a RB who came into the league as a WR which was probably a good choice since he had no clue how to use him and adapt to what is working now.

[texaspackerbacker]

That was so long ago it's hard to tell which post of yours you were even talking about. My comment you quoted here was not even in response to you but to pbmax's thing about Brady.

As for the 4 teams left, I suppose they have a lot of things in common - top level QBs at the top of the list, although none of those (or anybody else in the world) are quite up to the Aaron Rodgers level. Who doesn't have "A RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield and do something electric"? You don't think Aaron Jones (or even Jamal Williams for that matter) fits that description?

[Pugger]

One thing that Brady does is he gets that ball out of there quickly before the defense can get anywhere near him. If MLF can get Rodgers to emulate that perhaps Rodgers won't get so banged up.

[pbmax]

One thing that Brady does is he gets that ball out of there quickly before the defense can get anywhere near him. If MLF can get Rodgers to emulate that perhaps Rodgers won't get so banged up.

Well, see now Pugger, this is where you and the rest of the board are confused.

As tex has amply demonstrated with video clips and clear headed explainers, a QB who stands in the pocket and delivers the ball in less than 3 seconds is by definition benefitting from exceptional pass protection.

Rogers dancing in the pocket for 5+ seconds and having to avoid rushers is suffering from poor pass protection.

QED

[Fritz]

One thing that Brady does is he gets that ball out of there quickly before the defense can get anywhere near him. If MLF can get Rodgers to emulate that perhaps Rodgers won't get so banged up.

If we can figure out a way to get an "I" between that "M" and "L" we'll have a MILF for a coach.

[texaspackerbacker]

Well, see now Pugger, this is where you and the rest of the board are confused.

As tex has amply demonstrated with video clips and clear headed explainers, a QB who stands in the pocket and delivers the ball in less than 3 seconds is by definition benefitting from exceptional pass protection.

Rogers dancing in the pocket for 5+ seconds and having to avoid rushers is suffering from poor pass protection.

QED

There are plenty of QBs around who do exactly as ya'all wish Aaron Rodgers would do. I wouldn't trade Aaron Rodgers for ANY of them; Who among you would?

Rush to get rid of the ball quick and you inevitably get interceptions, not to mention a lot of short gains that are no better than running plays. Speaking of poor pass protection, WHEN did Aaron Rodgers EVER consistently get 3 seconds, even 2.5 seconds of a clean pocket - as Brady and really MOST QBs expect and get almost all the time? Brady, as immobile as he is, wouldn't survive half a game playing behind the Packers O Line.

I'm not too disappointed that Aaron Rodgers opted out of the Pro Bowl, but about the only reason I was looking forward to seeing him there was to see exactly how good he would do with decent protection - which a Pro Bowl O Line plus favorable pass rush rules would have given him.

[pbmax]

There are plenty of QBs around who do exactly as ya'all wish Aaron Rodgers would do. I wouldn't trade Aaron Rodgers for ANY of them; Who among you would?

Rush to get rid of the ball quick and you inevitably get interceptions, not to mention a lot of short gains that are no better than running plays. Speaking of poor pass protection, WHEN did Aaron Rodgers EVER consistently get 3 seconds, even 2.5 seconds of a clean pocket - as Brady and really MOST QBs expect and get almost all the time? Brady, as immobile as he is, wouldn't survive half a game playing behind the Packers O Line.

I'm not too disappointed that Aaron Rodgers opted out of the Pro Bowl, but about the only reason I was looking forward to seeing him there was to see exactly how good he would do with decent protection - which a Pro Bowl O Line plus favorable pass rush rules would have given him.

I don't want any other QB at all. Except maybe a nice backup.

But we saw all this at work with Rodgers in 2008 and 2009 (briefly, til the Cowboy game). He wants something more than the defense is giving him. So he doesn't take the first read of the progression. He waits. Sure, sometimes that is coverage or a bad read, but especially now its him choosing to wait.

Its so ingrained in him he's done it on fourth down, late in a game they are trailing and gotten sacked.

I would absolutely trade a small increase in INTs for more quick passes, because that tradeoff is going to score the Packers more points because it will sustain drives. How many INTs did Brees or Brady have this year? Its certainly possible to be careful and quick. Rodgers can read a D like no one's business.

Think back to the drive versus the Steelers that ended in Jennings TD catch between Polamalu and Clark. That is the kind of quick, on rhythm throwing he needs to get back. They can still do extended offense when they need to, but it doesn't have to be the default offense on 3rd and 1.

[mraynrand]

Think back to the drive versus the Steelers that ended in Jennings TD catch between Polamalu and Clark.

Actually he should have thrown that to Nelson, who was more open. Still, there were a lot of times when that quick, deep vertical game was devastating.

BTW, I clicked on the Steelers-Packers game from last year on my DVR last night. That game-tying drive at the end of the game was probably one of Stubby's greatest game-calling sequences. The whole game really was well designed and called. Shame they lost. Stubby is a good coach. Some team is gonna be happy they sign him up. OK, that's it for Stubby/Steelers talk for me.