The Official Fire Mike Pettine Thread

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm on board. Let's get one of these hot shot candidates a shot.

Like who? I have no idea who the up and coming folks are.

[texaspackerbacker]

Jim Leonhard is one, but I think I'd rather see him with the Badgers.

It's as much or more a matter of D philosophy as anything else. I absolutely don't want a D Coordinator who plays it too straight up/avoids a lot of blitzing, etc. because the Packers just don't have the personnel to line up and beat teams.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Jim Leonhard is one, but I think I'd rather see him with the Badgers.

It's as much or more a matter of D philosophy as anything else. I absolutely don't want a D Coordinator who plays it too straight up/avoids a lot of blitzing, etc. because the Packers just don't have the personnel to line up and beat teams.

Leonhard runs the same milksop D Pettine does, the Rex Ryan Bullshit.

Bring in Al Harris!

[Freak Out]

May as well fire the guy. His squad has been embarrassed far to many times.

[texaspackerbacker]

What kind of D does Al Harris have? Yeah, I suppose maybe Leonhard is in the same mold as Pettine. That's what I mean. I don't want to depart very far from that mold. If you have good enough personnel, it works fine; If not, it doesn't.

I see how a more traditional guy like Mike Nolan has totally fucked up the Cowboys D, and I absolutely don't want that sort of scheme for the Packers.

[Joemailman]

May as well fire the guy. His squad has been embarrassed far to many times.

If Thursday night goes bad, he could be gone. Packers will then have 10 days until their next game. Best time to make a coaching change.

[Bossman641]

Bring black Dom Capers!!!

[Joemailman]

If they were to make a change, Jerry Gray would likely be the guy. He's been a DC with 2 different teams.

[Sparkey]

If Pettine and Co. are failing to relay the importance of basics like penalties, gap integrity and form tackling, where else is the staff failing?

That is a 2015 quote from an article in regard to Pettine's time as HC for the Cleveland Browns. Sound familiar ?

[Patler]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. LaFleur's first big executive decision, apart from establishing his initial staff. He sounds frustrated/disappointed. Will he take quick action, or wait until the offseason?

I do question the benefit of changing now.
Is the problem personnel or scheme?
Not much can be changed in personnel at this point.
How much can scheme be changed midstream with existing personnel?

Seems like changing now can have a positive impact mostly if you think the problem is coaching/leadership, and that existing personnel within the installed scheme can be significantly more effective with better leadership, game plans and adjustments.

Seems like Packer defenses have been disappointing for all but a couple years in the last 50 years.

[Sparkey]

Further into the same article:

We won't get too far into Cleveland's issues with tackling and containment on defense (that's another long and disappointing story).

It may not make a difference, but it more than likely can't get much worse. Right ?

[run pMc]

If they were to make a change, Jerry Gray would likely be the guy. He's been a DC with 2 different teams.

This was my thought. Not sure how different of a scheme he'd run, but he has DC experience and at one point was a HC candidate.

[run pMc]

Further into the same article:

We won't get too far into Cleveland's issues with tackling and containment on defense (that's another long and disappointing story).

It may not make a difference, but it more than likely can't get much worse. Right ?

Link, please.

[Sparkey]

Link, please.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2582776-is-it-time-for-the-cleveland-browns-to-put-mike-pettine-on-the-hot-seat

[run pMc]

What kind of D does Al Harris have? Yeah, I suppose maybe Leonhard is in the same mold as Pettine. That's what I mean. I don't want to depart very far from that mold. If you have good enough personnel, it works fine; If not, it doesn't.

I see how a more traditional guy like Mike Nolan has totally fucked up the Cowboys D, and I absolutely don't want that sort of scheme for the Packers.

No idea about Harris, or any other candidates. I'm skeptical of defenses that have gimmicks as their basis. The Ryan defenses have IMO always been feast or famine -- they are either really strong or really leaky. I feel like GB's is pretty leaky at this point.

I don't think they lack talent, I just feel like they don't play smart or as a cohesive unit. Who are the best players on defense, and how do they play? Zadarius is good, but he freelances. Jaire is solid. Clark disappears, but it's hard to dominate when you're double teamed.

I saw Preston Smith splitting out covering a WR a few times vs. MIN. Why would you think that's a good idea - wouldn't you put a safety on them instead?