Complacency!!!

[ThunderDan]

I have no idea what the expectations are for the youth league you are coaching in. Sounds like some parents expected the play to continue as per normal.

And sure, kneeling under two minutes in victory formation is what everyone expects. What they don't expect is for Greg Schiano to send the D line and linebackers crashing into the O line. Even Belichick doesn't do that. He's just videotaping you.

I think it depends on the league. Summer Little League for my sons 10U team is cut throat win at all costs. Best players pitch and catch and play infield.
Fall League is the "teaching" season. Everyone plays every position. If the pitcher is having a bad day he stays in until the inning is over. You can only score 7 runs in an inning. Teams aren't drafted, you can request friends to be on your team.

[pbmax]

so sitton was let go because he pointed out what most of us could see, but the team didn't want to do anything about?

I don't remember all the reporting, but he said something in the previous year (not sure if in season or off season interview before the camp he was traded).

It was so notable that I am not sure we covered it here. I didn't remember it. There was a lot of speculation that something else must be happening, but nothing was even verified.

[pbmax]

I think it depends on the league. Summer Little League for my sons 10U team is cut throat win at all costs. Best players pitch and catch and play infield.
Fall League is the "teaching" season. Everyone plays every position. If the pitcher is having a bad day he stays in until the inning is over. You can only score 7 runs in an inning. Teams aren't drafted, you can request friends to be on your team.

Precisely. So Fosco might have a mismatch between the league and parents expectations. Its important to talk about that and not call them whiners. Affects everybody negatively. There has to be a way to describe the expectations for everyone.

Leagues where everyone gets to play are important especially with young children. Lots of developmental studies show great benefit to low pressure sports leagues that do their best to include all kids. Weeding kids out at a young age deprives everyone of the benefit of sports.

[Fosco33]

Precisely. So Fosco might have a mismatch between the league and parents expectations. Its important to talk about that and not call them whiners. Affects everybody negatively. There has to be a way to describe the expectations for everyone.

Leagues where everyone gets to play are important especially with young children. Lots of developmental studies show great benefit to low pressure sports leagues that do their best to include all kids. Weeding kids out at a young age deprives everyone of the benefit of sports.

It’s a chill league. Everyone plays, etc. and heck- 8seconds, undefended they are pretty likely to double dribble and travel anyways.
We were up 10 last week and couldn’t defend past the 3pt line either. So it’s just a rule.

I’d say the whiner concept isn’t specifally at those parents. It’s just people in general. It’s a game - and while it’s instructional - one of the things that matters is play to win (and be humble, don’t bitch when you lose, try your best). A couple weeks ago we got housed by 25 points. No biggie. I told them when i was in 5th grade parochial league we got beat 76-9... next year we beat that same team.

[gbgary]

I find it instructive that dumping the malcontents did not improve the team's performance.

But dumping the coach did.

That is the lesson of 2018.

the damage was already done and the biggest malcontent was given a huge raise.

[Rutnstrut]

I say look no further than Rodgers. People tend to perform at the level they are pushed to, no matter how competitive they are. Stubby stopped challenging and pushing Rodgers years ago.

[Fosco33]

I say look no further than Rodgers. People tend to perform at the level they are pushed to, no matter how competitive they are. Stubby stopped challenging and pushing Rodgers years ago.

That’s the difference. Management is pushing people to a certain level. Leadership is creating an environment where you don’t need to push. It’s influence and motivation.

I think we need Arod to be a better leader. And we need a few at every level of the team, coaches and org. Real leaders - like Reggie...

[pbmax]

That’s the difference. Management is pushing people to a certain level. Leadership is creating an environment where you don’t need to push. It’s influence and motivation.

I think we need Arod to be a better leader. And we need a few at every level of the team, coaches and org. Real leaders - like Reggie...

Well Reggie needed to have a few more talks with Gabe Wilkins then. What makes you think Reggie was a leader more than his teammate Butler?

Rodgers has pushed and prodded his offensive teammates (publicly anyway, we can't know private conversations) at a higher rate recently than Favre. There was just no way that the three rookie receivers were going to master both McCarthy's offense and Rodgers offense in year 1. Rodgers has regularly pushed for the best and most talented (Adams and Graham this year) to get recognition and extra use. What is it that they are supposedly missing from him?

You want a leadership crisis, that is a HC who is completely in charge of an offense that has been sorted out by defenses and refusing to change until publicly challenged by his QB. That was a failure of leadership.

[Fosco33]

Well Reggie needed to have a few more talks with Gabe Wilkins then. What makes you think Reggie was a leader more than his teammate Butler?

Rodgers has pushed and prodded his offensive teammates (publicly anyway, we can't know private conversations) at a higher rate recently than Favre. There was just no way that the three rookie receivers were going to master both McCarthy's offense and Rodgers offense in year 1. Rodgers has regularly pushed for the best and most talented (Adams and Graham this year) to get recognition and extra use. What is it that they are supposedly missing from him?

You want a leadership crisis, that is a HC who is completely in charge of an offense that has been sorted out by defenses and refusing to change until publicly challenged by his QB. That was a failure of leadership.

Qb, LT/C, DE, MLB and S all have to decent leaders and at least one strong on each side. They make so many adjustments and communicate clearly.

[pbmax]

Qb, LT/C, DE, MLB and S all have to decent leaders and at least one strong on each side. They make so many adjustments and communicate clearly.

I think we are confusing talent, knowledge and leadership. They are not the same.

AJ Hawk was a leader and knowledgeable about the defense. He was also terrible his last few years and needed to be replaced.

Tramontana got everyone lined up OK, but he is not a safety.

[Fosco33]

I think we are confusing talent, knowledge and leadership. They are not the same.

AJ Hawk was a leader and knowledgeable about the defense. He was also terrible his last few years and needed to be replaced.

Tramontana got everyone lined up OK, but he is not a safety.

Talent is presumed - it’s the ticket to play.
Knowledge is gained through experience and from coaches.
Leadership is the X factor.

[ZachMN]

The words of Herb Brooks:

'Gentlemen you don't have enough talent to win on talent alone'

Mario LeMieux took off to the next level after playing on the Canada Cup in 1987 after watching Gretzky and Messier OUTWORKING EVERYONE in practice- he learned what it took...his own words were to the effect of ' these were the best players in the world and they OUTWORKED EVERYONE....after watching that I knew what it took to be the best'


I trust my eyes and when I see this team come out FLAT over and over and over well something is wrong...maybe guys think the all star qb will bail them out and they can just coast.......

[pbmax]

Talent is presumed - it’s the ticket to play.
Knowledge is gained through experience and from coaches.
Leadership is the X factor.

This still doesn't explain why the safety needs to be the leader?

[pbmax]

The words of Herb Brooks:

'Gentlemen you don't have enough talent to win on talent alone'

Mario LeMieux took off to the next level after playing on the Canada Cup in 1987 after watching Gretzky and Messier OUTWORKING EVERYONE in practice- he learned what it took...his own words were to the effect of ' these were the best players in the world and they OUTWORKED EVERYONE....after watching that I knew what it took to be the best'


I trust my eyes and when I see this team come out FLAT over and over and over well something is wrong...maybe guys think the all star qb will bail them out and they can just coast.......

I think this is true from a first principle perspective, but also has downstream effects. The re-imagining of the offense was delayed by Rodgers ability to mask scheme deficiencies for an extra two years at least.

I don't like to call this effect "flat" or anything else, as I think its mostly a result of game trend (winning or losing) and talent.

[Fosco33]

This still doesn't explain why the safety needs to be the leader?

Not the leader - a leader. Look at great defenses over the years and often a good safety was there. It’s the qb of thee D.