Complacency!!!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

As head coach of the Appleton Applejacks peewee football team, I always play certain kids at certain positions. For example, my QBs are always white; My corners are always black. Up 40 in the 4th quarter, I refuse to show mercy to the opponent - I have the kids run up the score. Fuck sportsmanship.

Snowflake parents despise my methods. I tell them that they will thank me when their kids are adults. I’m merely preparing the kids for life in this fishy world. The fishmonger never gets complacent. The fishmonger does not preach mercy. The fishmonger makes a profit of 10 billion frogskins this year, he cuts workers ruthlessly to earn 20 billion the next year.

Life in this fishy world does not favor the weak and the meek. To paraphrase Freddie Mercury, this is the world we created - fuck the hungry mouths, the sufferings, the lonely faces.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Btw, during the season, I mentioned that McCarthy was never a fan of accountability, and therefore he refused to preach it. Rand and Pbmax called me a burger-flipping loser.

[pbmax]

Not the leader - a leader. Look at great defenses over the years and often a good safety was there. It’s the qb of thee D.

So AJ Hawk and Tramontana are the leadership parts of a winning defense?

C’mon. You are taking something ineffable from our perspective and elevating it to most important status.

You need talent.

[pbmax]

I say look no further than Rodgers. People tend to perform at the level they are pushed to, no matter how competitive they are. Stubby stopped challenging and pushing Rodgers years ago.

Rodgers single handedly took the team to the NFC Championship game in 2016.

So his leadership vaccum started after that?

[Rutnstrut]

So AJ Hawk and Tramontana are the leadership parts of a winning defense?

C’mon. You are taking something ineffable from our perspective and elevating it to most important status.

You need talent.

Talent alone doesn't mean much. I'll take work hard players with heart any day over divas with talent.

[pbmax]

Talent alone doesn't mean much. I'll take work hard players with heart any day over divas with talent.

Hard working players without talent get you a 28th ranked defense.

[Fosco33]

So AJ Hawk and Tramontana are the leadership parts of a winning defense?

C’mon. You are taking something ineffable from our perspective and elevating it to most important status.

You need talent.

Nope. I said Talent is the ticket to play (foundational). It’s like CM3 - he lost it. I don’t care if he’s hardworking or maybe an avg locker room vet - he’s more of a liability.

And man - I never called out Hawk as the example...

[pbmax]

Nope. I said Talent is the ticket to play (foundational). It’s like CM3 - he lost it. I don’t care if he’s hardworking or maybe an avg locker room vet - he’s more of a liability.

And man - I never called out Hawk as the example...

OK. But you still can't separate out talent from leadership in these threads. Its an assertion without a case for itself beyond the obvious -- would prefer to have it rather than lack it.

This thread (and the "Is Rodgers even good anymore" thread) has a lot of assertions that the Packers lack leaders. But what is much more obvious to me is that the Packers lack talent at some key positions (including safety).

Leadership is SO hard to quantify precisely because of the Tramontana and Hawk problem. Or what we might call the Hardy Nickerson or Seth Joyner problem. The press starts to pickup leadership stories exactly when a players skills start to decline. And calling out defensive adjustments isn't really the same as leadership. Its smart necessary preparation and execution, but it doesn't always translate to other players.