Is Gutekunst betting the farm? Putting all his eggs in this year's basket?

[pbmax]

jones has always overspent. he's kept his guys too long too. everyone should take a page out the hoodie book of winning and trade off some of their high-priced assets for good draft position like the pats have been doing year after year.

I agree. I wonder what NE was offering for Cobb?

[pbmax]

Ah, the heady days of arguing about keeping Wahle and Rivera. In 2005. A year before this board got going.

Kinda funny to think we were already arguing in hindsight, then again, the drafting of Logan Mankins seemed important to someone.

Not so funny that 13 years have passes since those arguments. I'm gonna go to bed.

[pbmax]

For 1, TT gets credit for part of these next two years. It was his responsibility to the long term that made this possible.

Ted isn't going to get credit for the next 2 years after the last 2 years. Too many roster holes were detected and not fixed.

Its all Gute from here on in.

[RashanGary]

Ted isn't going to get credit for the next 2 years after the last 2 years. Too many roster holes were detected and not fixed.

Its all Gute from here on in.

It doesn’t matter who gives him credit. He left Gute in a good cap situation whether people see it or not. I’m not here to win popularity contests or see how many agree. I’m here to call it as I see it whether anyone agrees or not.

[call_me_ishmael]

He left Gooter in a good cap situation? I mean, he let some _really_ good players walk out the door with no compensation and left the cupboard basically bare outside of LT, WR and QB. That's a pretty hot take. Thompson has been a disaster the past 5 years. I did a detailed analysis that basically shows this.

The Packers should have won it in 2014. Gonna haunt all parties forever. Gotta wonder if MM is still here if they had.

[RashanGary]

He left Gooter in a good cap situation? I mean, he let some _really_ good players walk out the door with no compensation and left the cupboard basically bare outside of LT, WR and QB. That's a pretty hot take. Thompson has been a disaster the past 5 years. I did a detailed analysis that basically shows this.

The Packers should have won it in 2014. Gonna haunt all parties forever. Gotta wonder if MM is still here if they had.

Theres a lot that goes into it. Without that money, Gute couldn’t do what he did. So tt set that up for him.

[call_me_ishmael]

Theres a lot that goes into it. Without that money, Gute couldn’t do what he did. So tt set that up for him.

That's sort of like saying "Hey, we broke into your house and stole all your shit, so now you have all of this room (empty space) and this great insurance money to replace it all". Sounds horrible.

[RashanGary]

That's sort of like saying "Hey, we broke into your house and stole all your shit, so now you have all of this room (empty space) and this great insurance money to replace it all". Sounds horrible.

That’s cool if you see it that way, but I see it nothing like that. I see it as, yeah, I had two bad drafts, but I left you with a whole bunch of money to sign free agents. It’s very different

It’s more like, you have a bare house but a bunch of money to buy new stuff. That’s the proper analogy.

[pbmax]

He left Gooter in a good cap situation? I mean, he let some _really_ good players walk out the door with no compensation and left the cupboard basically bare outside of LT, WR and QB. That's a pretty hot take. Thompson has been a disaster the past 5 years. I did a detailed analysis that basically shows this.

And Center. And DL. Linsley is Pro Bowl level Center. Daniels and Clark are both very good. Clark will be an All Pro on his trajectory.

You could almost say 1/2 Guard too IF, and its a big IF, Taylor regains form after some injuries and a bad year.

[RashanGary]

And Center. And DL. Linsley is Pro Bowl level Center. Daniels and Clark are both very good. Clark will be an All Pro on his trajectory.

You could almost say 1/2 Guard too IF, and its a big IF, Taylor regains form after some injuries and a bad year.

That and a whole bunch of spending money. TTs luster wore off. It was time. But he still left a decent situation with enough money for a quick turnaround.

[run pMc]

I see it as GB spent great-player money on good players who are young and *might* ascend. In other words, they overspent but that's how first-week FA goes.
They had the cap space because (a) TT/Ball historically eschewed high priced FA with a few exceptions, and (b) they tended to re-sign their own players but haven't had many worth keeping from recent drafts. https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../gnb/draft.htm

2015 is getting attention again because of Jake Ryan signing with JAX. I think if your drafts suck you will eventually end up sitting out the playoffs and with enough cap space to overspend in FA.

[call_me_ishmael]

And Center. And DL. Linsley is Pro Bowl level Center. Daniels and Clark are both very good. Clark will be an All Pro on his trajectory.

You could almost say 1/2 Guard too IF, and its a big IF, Taylor regains form after some injuries and a bad year.

Yeah you're right, those positions are in good shape too. Kenny Clark is a very good player everyone says so I'm totally on board there.

[Fritz]

With all due respect, Patler, but you lost all credibility regarding the cap when you argued -and was mathematically debunked- that it was impossible for Todd to retain both Wahle and Rivera, as well as Shaper.

Leave salary cap analysis to burger-flipping losers who have passed all 4 sections of the CPA (cap proficiency assessment) exams.

The cap can always be cooked. The networks will always bail out teams, at least until, Zeus-willing, capitalism collapses. There’s no such thing as a cap hell anymore.

The cap ain’t preventing Jerry Jones from building a team full of highly paid superstars. Instead, Jones refrains from doing so cos he’s a greed-fucked fishmonger, just like all the other greed-fucked fishmongers in the greed-fucked league.

The more expensive the player, the less profit, err, fish the fishmonger takes home.

When I first read the boldface type above, I thought maybe I was in some strange alternative universe in which the likes of Patler are crap-slinging shooters while Tank is some buttoned-down CPA who just spent the last ten hours going over the minutae of the cap situation using a variety of highly-respected sources.

That is one strange world, that place. I think I saw the Cowardly Lion there, then tesselated across two universes and ended up in another in which cricket was the world's most popular sport.

[Carolina_Packer]

That’s cool if you see it that way, but I see it nothing like that. I see it as, yeah, I had two bad drafts, but I left you with a whole bunch of money to sign free agents. It’s very different

It’s more like, you have a bare house but a bunch of money to buy new stuff. That’s the proper analogy.

TT was furnishing the house from Target and Goodwill and then Gutey decided to shop at Restoration Hardware.

[MadScientist]

Basically this is the money they would have spent on their own players if Randall, Rollins, Montgomery and Ryan were good players that they wanted to keep. This is what Gute had to do in order to have a chance to field a competitive football team this year. If he hits, the Packers are in very good shape for the next 2-3 years. If he totally whiffs, next year and the year after will probably be a struggle.