Official 2019 Workout/OTA/Minicamp Thread

[Joemailman]

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sp...ul/1369204001/

1. Makes a good point about #8 in sacks didn't mean the pass rush was anything to write home about
2. Doesn't make that case with anything other than, "ask anyone", so have hired out to Joe for pressure numbers
3. Pettine made a comment that suggested this defense needed large, explosive athletes but he did not need to tell Gutekunst that; he was there before the meeting
4. Suggests lack of Ints and higher opponent passer rating reflect mostly on lack of QB pressure, but in doing so ignores some problems on the backend
5. Does vaguely suggest that Amos and Savage should help
6. Lets an anonymous scout get away with inisisting that if the Packers defense isn't best in the Division, they they expect open internal revolt about why they didn't spend money on a playmaker for Rodgers
7. Makes a good summary that Dr. Zaius and Gary will see time pass rushing from the tackle spots in nickel and dime
8. Makes Joe's point that this defense has not relied on double digit sack production for QB pressures. Only Kruger and Mario Williams got past that number in this defense

Hard to find pressure numbers. However, according to PFR, Packers were 10th in sacks in 2018, and 30th in QB hits. https://www.pro-football-reference.c...tm#all_passing That would seem to agree with what most felt about their pass rush: If they weren't sacking the QB, they usually weren't affecting him.

[pbmax]

Most beat guys have access to the NFL stats arm (GSIS I think) and I bet they have pressures. Or, as you did, they could list pressure numbers from a 3rd party. PFF probably has it too.

[MadScientist]

Bears players get tested for substances of abuse, but clearly their front office doesn't:
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...n-adrian-amos/

[pbmax]

Bears players get tested for substances of abuse, but clearly their front office doesn't:
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/201...n-adrian-amos/

It could theoretically be true that Dix will be better. He was pretty good in his first two years and had a Pro Bowl year. But then doubt set in about his contract status.

So you never know where his head will be.

Frankly, its the more sane position, to me anyway. But its not the best place to be for your best football to be in front of you.

[run pMc]

I think it's fair to say HHCD was the better prospect coming out of college. I don't think he's a bad player, but he's not played at an All Pro level.

If the Bears think HaHa is the better player, why did they only give him a 1 year deal?

[pbmax]

Mandatory Minicamp, sneaker edition.

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13
Josh Jones is in attendance for mandatory minicamp but he’s not practicing. Standing on the sideline in sneakers. #Packers

Wes Hodkiewicz @WesHod
Justin McCray and Lucas Patrick rotating at center with Linsley not taking part in team

MY PREDICTION OF PATRICK WINNING RG ISN'T OFF TO A HOT START

[mraynrand]

^^^ Determining the backup center is probably taking precedent over picking the starting RG at this point.

[Joemailman]

It would seem they feel Jenkins has a very legit chance of winning the LG starting spot if they're trying to figure out who the backup C will be.

LaFleur and Gutey have 12:35 PC. Wonder why Gutey.

[Joemailman]

MLF said Josh Jones not practicing because he has a hamstring issue. Gotta love the way Jones has approached the off-season. He said Jones is definitely in their plans for this season. Likes the competition between the WR's and DB's. Linsley out today as a precaution due to some stiffness.

[pbmax]

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky
Red-zone period features two Aaron Rodgers' touchdown passes to Jake Kumerow and one to Jimmy Graham. https://t.co/Lgnb9uw5rH

Zach Kruse @zachkruse2
Even more buzz on MVS: Packers coach Matt LaFleur said "Marquez has really shown out" during the offseason program.

Jim Owczarski @JimOwczarski
#Packers OC Nathaniel Hackett echoes the praises of the head coach regarding Trevor Davis.

[pbmax]

It would seem they feel Jenkins has a very legit chance of winning the LG starting spot if they're trying to figure out who the backup C will be.

LaFleur and Gutey have 12:35 PC. Wonder why Gutey.

Might not apply to OTAs, but Linsley was out today with "stiffness".

[Cheesehead Craig]

Might not apply to OTAs, but Linsley was out today with "stiffness".

Sometimes that blue pill goes longer than 4 hours.

[mraynrand]

Sometimes that blue pill goes longer than 4 hours.

I believe you

[pbmax]

We are nearly there to the complete Favre turn. He's not throwing it early to a route combo he remembers from 1998, but he doesn't seem to agree that standing in the pocket to deliver the rock and get plastered is going to be a net positive over the course of a season. This is slightly contradictory to his coaches assertion that a throw he made while getting crushed in the pocket is the kind of toughness they need.

“In order to do that, you really have to give it a chance to develop. But, that being said, once you get into a live environment, I’m not just going to stand there in the face of a bearing-down defensive lineman and get rocked — especially in the preseason.

But old me appreciates finally understanding why QBs and teams always seem to have a falling out. Didn't understand it in Pittsburgh with Bradshaw, didn't understand it with the Dolphins and Marino. Now after Favre and Rodgers, I finally get it.

Rodgers might disagree here, but he is giving the offense and its progressions a chance in camp. Extended offense is not making an appearance yet.

Rodgers has gone out of his way during offseason practices to stay in the pocket and throw the ball within the rhythm and timing of the way the play is designed.

“I think it comes down to instincts. I think that’s the more important thing when you get out there and play,” Rodgers explained. “But I think you can retrain some of those instincts as well. And with a new offense, I’m really trying to trust the progressions and my eyes and learn timing on different things.

snip

“I think the most important thing for me is to train my eyes so I know exactly where guys are going to be and when the progressions open up. And once I have that down — I feel like I’ve got it down pretty well — then I can just go out and play.”

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/aaron-rodgers-approach-within-packers-new-offense-over-over-over/article_570b7482-be70-5f9c-96dc-11902c148fb3.html

[pbmax]

Drew Rosenhaus is Josh Jones agent. I wonder if that changed the moment someone planted the idea of changing teams in his head.

EDIT: Same order of events, but swap out position problem for team problem.

he bristled at the suggestion he would become even more of a linebacker this season.

“I’m not a linebacker,” he said. “Y’all can get that out of your head. You can stop writing about that. That’s not going to happen.”

So what is he?

“I’m a fantastic player that can do a lot of things that can help a defense,” Jones said. “But, obviously, that comes down to a number of things. But I’m confident in my abilities and what I can do despite what any of you guys may say or what anybody may say. I stand 10 toes on what the good Lord blessed me with.”

Apparently, that doesn’t include a steady diet of linebacker.

“Listen, I’m here,” Jones said. “However the coaches perceive you, however the personnel (department) perceive(s) you, they drafted you so that’s what you’ve got to live with for the time being.”

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/tom-oates-safety-josh-jones-reports-to-minicamp-but-didn/article_b3e2c472-8111-5bb0-a4bc-b8da52405ef5.html