Here is the blockbuster 'Can Of Worms ' Story on Green Bay Packer dysfunction.

[wist43]

Predictable...

PackerRats gossiping about feelings and emotions, while wearing pink panties, of course.

No hint of testosterone or football talk in sight

Carry on girls... I'm going over to a football chat site. Will check back tomorrow to see if any men have returned.

[George Cumby]

Predictable...

PackerRats gossiping about feelings and emotions, while wearing pink panties, of course.

No hint of testosterone or football talk in sight

Carry on girls... I'm going over to a football chat site. Will check back tomorrow to see if any men have returned.

Lol.

Ok Alpha Male.

Fuck off you fucking hypocrite. You have more sand in your vag then any one else on this board you whining pussy.

[woodbuck27]

I think my rant belongs here

Let's call a spade a spade. Sometimes the truth is painful to acknowledge. I am a huge fan of AROD as a player.

But read in between the lines and listen tot e Packer Beat guys who cover the team on and off the record. Here are some captain obvious viewpoints

Rodgers is smug. He's very intelligent but perhaps to a fault. And he's kind of an asshole as teammate to many. He's roll his eyes, call out players, and dress them down occasionally in practices. He's a know it all who a few teammates embrace but many do not. Brett Favre was embraced by all his teammates untl he really got old and was a generation ahead of the entire team. Rodgers is not there. Watch the mannerisms after each of them throw TD's. Rodgers is far better than Favre, but he's no Favre as a leader. It got to some point where Rodgers no longer respected McCarthy as a coach, changed plays at will, and avoided throwing many many slants when they were wide open. I hope Rodgers embraces Matty; but I want to see how this turns out several months, or a couple years in....I want to know if Rodgers thinks he's too dam smart to respect a coach....he was a real shithead to Mike McCarthy.

And on to Mike McCarthy. I don't know when it was; but he lost the players and the longer it went on the more bad conduct was overlooked....neglected....and not handled remotely appropriate. As a disciplinarian MM said the right things to the press, but was a fruitcake the past couple years of his rein. I also think Mike McCarthy is a high class person. Unlike AROD, he's a good human being. He discussed how he was let go, and pondered how painful it was for him to deal with player shortcomings. He was no longer successful as a head coach. But how he was let go seemed pretty heartless

On to my frickin Fave....MARCIA MARCIA MARCIA....you deserve the blame for a lot of recent failings on the Green Bay Packers. You were overseeing this ship as the talent dried up badly.
And you let it keep happening. if TT was occasionally dozing off, mentally becoming unhealthy, shame on you for not reacting right away. You take much blame for this all from talent. And when you fire a coach who won a Super Bowl for the Green Bay Packers, have at least a bit of a heart. Pulling him out right after the presser, showing no emotion or thankfulness for MM leading us to a SB. Cold and Nasty Marcia. I lack faith in you ability as a leader.

We're lookin like a Fart in the Wind and all three of these guys, along with TT, have plenty of blame

You as usual have it close to perfect. If you go to ** the other thread you see me post a member tonight as to exactly what I feel now and this pissing contest between a Teams Head Coach and it's QB.

** The official nice things to say about Mike McCarthy thread. Post NO.134

[woodbuck27]

I hope Matty and AROD can connect; Down with Marcia !!

Yup.

THE EXALTED Packers Board Head should be axed soon. I predict he will be.

[woodbuck27]

Lol.

Ok Alpha Male.

Fuck off you fucking hypocrite. You have more sand in your vag then any one else on this board you whining pussy.

Yup

I do not get his reaction at all.

Today we learned details on why we as Packer fans have been frustrated and as Packer fans this should be an issue of some serious thought and how as a Packer fan you really feel.

[Deputy Nutz]

Maybe. Not necessarily. But I'd advise caution. Jennings has a history

My point is that what would be far more convincing is if a guy like Bacteria sat down and gave a measured view of the problems on the team, without being nasty. "Sure, Rodgers audibled off some Stubby calls. I guess that's what happens when a QB spends this many years in a system. You see things on the field that you think the Coach doesn't" or "Stubby was getting more distant in the past two years. He seemed more likely to be in the office than on the field tweaking plays. He seemed more defensive about his game plan, etc. etc. And he knows like everyone in football that if it comes to a power struggle between a HOF QB with the biggest contract in football and a coach, the QB is usually going to come out on top). Rodgers knows this too, so he has more freedom. That affects team dynamics."

Anyway, there's some stuff in there that rings true. I just don't buy all of it. But I want to know more about the masseuses.

A few valuable squeezes of shit I got out of the article is how the young receivers are going to struggle when their is a power vacuum between QB and offensive play caller. It's hard to rely on young guys when their heads are swimming to begin with, then are asked to remember what to do when the play is called and then changed in the huddle by the QB or at the line of scrimmage. Then factor in to the accountability to both the QB and the head coach. That is a tough spot to be put in. I am not even going into the changes in the blocking assignments for the line and the backs.

[mraynrand]

Yeah, the part about WR confusion came across as totally believable.

As far as Wistian significance of this article, that's at the center of it - how will Rodgers be going forward? Will he take new instruction like Favre did from Stubbers or will he continue in his old patterns knowing he is the smartest guy in the room?

You can only serve one master, at least that's what my wife tells me.

I feel so ungrateful posting this. Tex, absolve me of my sin.

[pbmax]

Yeah, the part about WR confusion came across as totally believable.

As far as Wistian significance of this article, that's at the center of it - how will Rodgers be going forward? Will he take new instruction like Favre did from Stubbers or will he continue in his old patterns knowing he is the smartest guy in the room?

You can only serve one master, at least that's what my wife tells me.

I feel so ungrateful posting this. Tex, absolve me of my sin.

I wonder if this will be Favre to Stubby or Favre to Sherman.

Sherman came in and changed the offensive identity because he had a monster line, a good running back and no receivers left. La Fleur has a more mixed bag. Better receiver but worse O line however his bread and butter offense is based on a running identity.

[bobblehead]

In this scenario, to whom do I direct my comment that Samsung is a South Korean company?

It won't matter. 3 pages later the same misinformation will be repeated as if you never corrected it.

[mraynrand]

^^^ It really depends on the talent they bring in. I don't know what offensive identity they have until you see what they get for RG and RT. If, as I suspect, they care about the run game and protecting Rodgers, you likely see them blow two of their first four picks on O-linemen. If the best tackle they have rated is there, there's a good chance they take him at 12. And the howling will commence!

[bobblehead]

I think my rant belongs here

Let's call a spade a spade. Sometimes the truth is painful to acknowledge. I am a huge fan of AROD as a player.

But read in between the lines and listen tot e Packer Beat guys who cover the team on and off the record. Here are some captain obvious viewpoints

Rodgers is smug. He's very intelligent but perhaps to a fault. And he's kind of an asshole as teammate to many. He's roll his eyes, call out players, and dress them down occasionally in practices. He's a know it all who a few teammates embrace but many do not. Brett Favre was embraced by all his teammates untl he really got old and was a generation ahead of the entire team. Rodgers is not there. Watch the mannerisms after each of them throw TD's. Rodgers is far better than Favre, but he's no Favre as a leader. It got to some point where Rodgers no longer respected McCarthy as a coach, changed plays at will, and avoided throwing many many slants when they were wide open. I hope Rodgers embraces Matty; but I want to see how this turns out several months, or a couple years in....I want to know if Rodgers thinks he's too dam smart to respect a coach....he was a real shithead to Mike McCarthy.

And on to Mike McCarthy. I don't know when it was; but he lost the players and the longer it went on the more bad conduct was overlooked....neglected....and not handled remotely appropriate. As a disciplinarian MM said the right things to the press, but was a fruitcake the past couple years of his rein. I also think Mike McCarthy is a high class person. Unlike AROD, he's a good human being. He discussed how he was let go, and pondered how painful it was for him to deal with player shortcomings. He was no longer successful as a head coach. But how he was let go seemed pretty heartless

On to my frickin Fave....MARCIA MARCIA MARCIA....you deserve the blame for a lot of recent failings on the Green Bay Packers. You were overseeing this ship as the talent dried up badly.
And you let it keep happening. if TT was occasionally dozing off, mentally becoming unhealthy, shame on you for not reacting right away. You take much blame for this all from talent. And when you fire a coach who won a Super Bowl for the Green Bay Packers, have at least a bit of a heart. Pulling him out right after the presser, showing no emotion or thankfulness for MM leading us to a SB. Cold and Nasty Marcia. I lack faith in you ability as a leader.

We're lookin like a Fart in the Wind and all three of these guys, along with TT, have plenty of blame

1) What you describe in Rodgers is called "leadership" when Brady and Aikman do/did it.

2) MM is the worst kind of idiot. The kind that thinks he is smarter than everyone else, but often is the dumbest guy in the room. He was supplied with an HOF QB and a top 5 talented roster. He won ONE Owl. He believed he was responsible for winning with superior talent. He was not a high class person. He got a fricking groundkeeper fired for asking if they would win the Owl this year. He isn't allowed at high school basketball games anymore. He is a tool.

3) Marcia couldn't walk into the role and fire TT and MM. Not even TT had those kinda balls. He didn't owe MM the end of the year. He didn't owe MM a thing. MM lost his team and got fired. I would have let him lose a couple more for a better pick, but thats just me. I have a strong inkling MM strong arming during the new GM search and being a demanding prick had a lot to do with how he was fired. Doing an interview a year later whining about it instead of moving on simply backs up what I think. Would you hire a guy who was trashing his former employer or would you prefer a guy who went with "it didn't work out. I could have done better. I wish they had treated me better, but it was time". Marcia will be judged on the next 5 years. If LaFlavor is the real deal and Gutes restocks the roster he gets a good grade. If not, time to move on...midseason or not.

[gbgary]

here's an interview from yesterday that confirms what i heard, and mentioned here, about russ ball running stuff, and other interesting stuff. take a listen...

https://billmichaelssports.radio.com...ckers-qb-aaron

[Anti-Polar Bear]

In this scenario, to whom do I direct my comment that Samsung is a South Korean company?

As Bruno - and maybe even Tex - likes to say, the Koreans, both Northerners and Southerners alike, are basically Chinese.

[pbmax]

here's an interview from yesterday that confirms what i heard, and mentioned here, about russ ball running stuff, and other interesting stuff. take a listen...

https://billmichaelssports.radio.com...ckers-qb-aaron

Don't know Mike Clemens from Adam, but if he did warn Michaels about McCarthy on thin ice (privately) because of a chance encountered with Gute and Murph having a talk in a public corridor, good on him. But that sounds more revealing in retrospect.

The Ted sleeping in meetings and Russ doing some of his job story seems to have been around for a while.

They might have needed Murphy to step in, but I wonder why it was late? And does he know more than crisis management?

[gbgary]

Don't know Mike Clemens from Adam, but if he did warn Michaels about McCarthy on thin ice (privately) because of a chance encountered with Gute and Murph having a talk in a public corridor, good on him. But that sounds more revealing in retrospect.

The Ted sleeping in meetings and Russ doing some of his job story seems to have been around for a while.

They might have needed Murphy to step in, but I wonder why it was late? And does he know more than crisis management?

i think Ball liked playing gm and kept it quiet for a little while. heard the 17 draft was him, murphy, and the personnel dept in scramble mode.