Here is the blockbuster 'Can Of Worms ' Story on Green Bay Packer dysfunction.

[mraynrand]

How much is ‘a bit?’

[Harlan Huckleby]

When you saw him actually do an interview, he looked at the time like he was drunk, some of us even commented at the time about it

takes one to know one

[Harlan Huckleby]

All this gnashing of teeth is probably because no one has any idea how things will go, looking ahead.

I'm not sure that Packers don't have the worst personnel in the NFC-North. Can I get a witness? So it does feel like we could be set for some Bears/Lions years. It will be fun to look for signs of "green shoots" from the new french regime the next two years. More fun than griping about Stubby.

[gbgary]

OK. But why not act on it? Why use hanger wire and electrical tape for another 3/4 of a year.

no need to hurry at that point. had to come up with a plan. professional courtesy toward thompson etc.

[gbgary]

i don't think murphy had the stones to completely clean house like he should have

last year was a complete waste of a season by leaving fat fuck linger

thats why i say murphy is responsible for this mess as much as anyone

waste of a season...i agree, but finding a gm AND a head coach was too much to do at once. the season would've been a mess then too. at least with mccarthy one more year it had a slight chance to not be so bad. hell, if crosby hadn't basically lost four games for them it would have looked ok. in hind sight it's good that he didn't. lol

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waste of a season...i agree, but finding a gm AND a head coach was too much to do at once. the season would've been a mess then too. at least with mccarthy one more year it had a slight chance to not be so bad. hell, if crosby hadn't basically lost four games for them it would have looked ok. in hind sight it's good that he didn't. lol

almost every other team hires a new GM and then lets them find their head coach

when they don't, the coaches are considered lame ducks

[Joemailman]

almost every other team hires a new GM and then lets them find their head coach

when they don't, the coaches are considered lame ducks

Perhaps, but it doesn't usually happen right away. When A GM is hired at the end of a season, he has a ton of work to do evaluating the player roster so he can prepare for free agency and the draft. To cite a recent example, John Dorsey did not fire Hue Jackson upon getting the job even though Jackson was 1-31 as a head coach with the Browns. He waited until midway through the 2018 season.

[mraynrand]

Perhaps, but it doesn't usually happen right away. When A GM is hired at the end of a season, he has a ton of work to do evaluating the player roster so he can prepare for free agency and the draft. To cite a recent example, John Dorsey did not fire Hue Jackson upon getting the job even though Jackson was 1-31 as a head coach with the Browns. He waited until midway through the 2018 season.

Hue Jackson was a special case in that he had been given direct assurance by the owner that he would have three years. The GM knew he couldn't fire him before the next season. But, much like the GM changes the Packers made in Stubby's final year, they were baking the cake to make sure they could torpedo both. For the Browns it was insisting on hiring an offensive coordinator, but they got a guy who thought he should be a HC and running the show, so conflict was inevitable. For the Packers it was the relentless torpedoing of players to position themselves for a monster 2019 draft. Both teams knew they were getting rid of the coaches; both coaches knew it, but probably thought they might make it through the season.

[George Cumby]

All of the fog of war aside, there is enough smoke to suggest there is fire, there's a lot of mud in the waters, I could go on, and trust Rand could do better, but I think this outfit is up a creek without a saddle.

[pbmax]

I believe that’s when some of us actually noticed something was wrong

When you saw him actually do an interview, he looked at the time like he was drunk, some of us even commented at the time about it

I don’t know if it was that exact interview, or another one from that draft, but he was talking slowly and sluring his words

The worst interview was his first after he came back from the extended medical leave.

[pbmax]

Interesting note. We owed it to MM to give him the rest of the season, but the minute TT showed a bit of mental decline we should have fired him immediately!!!

Being that I credit TT with a lot more of the success than I do MM I think we handled things ok. Again, TT was all class during his tenure (unless you thought we owed Brett 2 more years at the loss of ARod to Free agency). MM was/is an insufferable prick. I think that NAMING a new GM leading to the 2017 draft was pointless. We had a personnel team in place and I imagine letting TT run point didn't affect much. After that they convinced TT to step down of his own accord. Firing him early wouldn't have affected much (unless you wanted to give Dorsey the job). I think the massive rift between ARod and MM caused them to move on midseason as they did from MM. MM was as good as gone and they didn't want to piss ARod off anymore.

Well, if Thompson was incapable, naming one would make more sense than not. And I believe that finding a GM early and then a coach the following year is a pretty typical timeline, so there isn't any more hurry in this alternate scenario than what actually transpired.

But if Ted was still doing press, I suspect the amount of his decline is exaggerated by the report that "Ball was running things". Its was reported long before his retirement that Thompson did not travel as much as he used to and had handed over some duties to Ball.

I do not mind treating people as professionally as possible in terms of fulfilling their contract or ending their employment. McCarthy probably was not well served by that contract extension. Since it was done while Thompson was on board getting his own extension, he may have been trying to protect McCarthy. If Thompson was incapacitated in some way, letting him stick it out wasn't kind. The last year of M3's deal wasn't kind either.

I think it was done to provide the Packers to the easiest path to re-signing Rodgers. It's be interesting to know what they (Gute, Ball and Rodgers) talked about. Because if any of Dunne's additional reporting is true, they knew it wasn't likely to last. Especially if they were rebuilding on the fly.

At its best, it was a gamble that blew up.

[mraynrand]

All of the fog of war aside, there is enough smoke to suggest there is fire, there's a lot of mud in the waters, I could go on, and trust Rand could do better, but I think this outfit is up a creek without a saddle.

I'm not really worried, but I'm sort of agnostic about it, because I really don't know whether any of these guys are all that talented. Gute, LaFlournoy, all the assistants - no idea, except I think Poutine is probably a quality DC. I think Murphy's ability to hurt the franchise is over-estimated, so for me it's all up in the air. This team could be very good, or it could suck. Just have to wait and see. Rodgers will either get on board or diva the team to death for a couple of years. I hope the former. I hope in three years we're not talking about Gute sending him his old locker.

[pbmax]

I think a QB has at least one offensive change in them. Favre made it work for Sherman. He was very Favrian for McCarthy. I very much expect Rodgers to buy into La Fleur's Badger offense.

If Darrell Bevell is here in four years with the Sherman/Childress/Seattle offense, the Packers will need a new QB.

[mraynrand]

I think a QB has at least one offensive change in them. Favre made it work for Sherman. He was very Favrian for McCarthy. I very much expect Rodgers to buy into La Fleur's Badger offense.

What does that mean? Favre had two years with Stubby and 2007 was outstanding except at Chicago and the final game/pass. But it wasn't Favre's fault they couldn't run the ball against the Giants.

[SudsMcBucky]

I believe that’s when some of us actually noticed something was wrong

When you saw him actually do an interview, he looked at the time like he was drunk, some of us even commented at the time about it

I don’t know if it was that exact interview, or another one from that draft, but he was talking slowly and sluring his words

My mom had been insisting to me for some time that she could swear TT had a stroke.