First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

[mraynrand]

Short guys always look faster. Their little legs are moving like forest gump.

lol

[Patler]

Not sure if anyone posted this:

“He’s got the quickest feet I think I’ve ever seen,” says former Michigan defensive line coach Greg Mattison, who’s now co-defensive coordinator at Ohio State.

How come that explosiveness didn’t translate into more than 9.5 sacks in three seasons? Gary’s advocates point to his role in Michigan’s defense. He was a six-technique “anchor” end, playing across the line from the rush end. His job was to line up over the tight end and, relying more on his size and power than speed, shut down the opponent’s front-side run game. Further from the football, Gary constantly faced chip and double-team blocks, more traffic between him and the quarterback.

Partridge, who left Paramus Catholic for Michigan before Gary’s senior season and is now the Wolverines’ safeties coach, says his role in the defense limited the stats, but was necessary.

“Rashan is able to play multiple positions on the defensive line,” he says, “but other people can’t play multiple positions on the D-line. So for the team, we didn’t ask him to line up on the open side and rush the passer. We asked him to line up inside the tight end and knock the crap out of the tight end and stop the run. Because college is a lot different than the pro game. You’ve got so much quarterback-driven run, so much tight end run.

“He did that better than anyone in the country. You can’t tell me that you can find somebody in the country that was better at knocking the crap out of the tight end and stopping the front-side run game. He had so many tackles on front-side, tight zone and power, and all that stuff. He completely took the play away. If people would actually look at it and notice, teams started running weak (side) against us all the time. They started attacking us weak because of what he was doing on the tight end side. So his production was very much related to what we asked him to do in the scheme.”

Mattison says Gary should be judged not on his numbers, but how he lifted Michigan’s defensive front. “There’s a reason,” he explains, “why Chase Winovich had a whole bunch of sacks.” Winovich, Michigan’s rush end, had 18.5 sacks the past three years, most of them with Gary on the field, his presence creating one-on-one blocks. The New England Patriots drafted Winovich early in the third round, 65 picks after Gary.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...ns/1169578001/

[RashanGary]

Not sure if anyone posted this:

I did see that, Patler. And there are whole game breakdowns where dude only gets one or two runs per game to his side. And then they chip him and double on pass plays except for the designed quick passes. Its crazy how few chances teams gave him to make plays.

And you watch the tape. Dude just plows guys over. He’s a damn brute.

I like that Gute took him and stood there and completely disagreed with some of that media. He was just like, no, it’s in the eye of the beholder. We didn’t see that at all.

[pbmax]

Patridge is a legit source. Dude knows his stuff and has been everywhere in the B1G.

EDIT: Wrong Partridge. He's a former HS coach that became a big time recruiter at Michigan. Don't trust him.

[Fritz]

Patridge is a legit source. Dude knows his stuff and has been everywhere in the B1G.

EDIT: Wrong Partridge. He's a former HS coach that became a big time recruiter at Michigan. Don't trust him.

Partridge is at Michigan because Harbaugh wanted Rashan Gary so he did what big time (read "gaming the system") college coaches do: he hired the player's favorite high school coach to become a position coach, or assistant position coach, at the university.

So of course he's going to slobber all over Rashan Gary. But those of you who are now defending Gary sure sound like you're desperately hunting for reasons to think he was a good pick - after so many of us talking about how Gutekunst needed a difference-maker with that high of a pick. Now Gary sounds like the second coming of Nick Perry, who most Packerrats were disgruntled with - and he was picked late in the first round. Wist hated Thompson drafting a college defensive lineman who had to convert to OLB - and here we are with a college defensive lineman converting to OLB, and everyone's explaining why that's okay. And why it's okay he's a good run-stopper, and why it's okay he may not get many sacks.

Weird universe.

[RashanGary]

Fritz, legitimately watch the tape. Full game tapes. He’s a bully on the field dude. He doesn’t get a lot of chances because teams go away from him in a variety of ways. Gary is a brute force, dude. He’s Perry but stronger and faster.

[pbmax]

Partridge is at Michigan because Harbaugh wanted Rashan Gary so he did what big time (read "gaming the system") college coaches do: he hired the player's favorite high school coach to become a position coach, or assistant position coach, at the university.

So of course he's going to slobber all over Rashan Gary. But those of you who are now defending Gary sure sound like you're desperately hunting for reasons to think he was a good pick - after so many of us talking about how Gutekunst needed a difference-maker with that high of a pick. Now Gary sounds like the second coming of Nick Perry, who most Packerrats were disgruntled with - and he was picked late in the first round. Wist hated Thompson drafting a college defensive lineman who had to convert to OLB - and here we are with a college defensive lineman converting to OLB, and everyone's explaining why that's okay. And why it's okay he's a good run-stopper, and why it's okay he may not get many sacks.

Weird universe.

Yeah, once I realized I was thinking of another Partirdge, the gloss wore off the glowing praise.

[Joemailman]

Fritz, legitimately watch the tape. Full game tapes. He’s a bully on the field dude. He doesn’t get a lot of chances because teams go away from him in a variety of ways. Gary is a brute force, dude. He’s Perry but stronger and faster.

I watched some game tape of Gary after the draft because what I had read about him was so different from what Gutey was saying. Based on what I had heard, I was kind of expecting to see another Datone Jones. What I saw was a much more physical player. I kind of got the sense that the Michigan coaching staff didn't do a particularly good job of finding ways to utilize Gary's unique (for a man his size) athletic skills. My hope and expectation is that Pettine's staff can do better.

[wist43]

Yeah, once I realized I was thinking of another Partirdge, the gloss wore off the glowing praise.

Laurie was hot... at least I thought she was

[wist43]

Partridge is at Michigan because Harbaugh wanted Rashan Gary so he did what big time (read "gaming the system") college coaches do: he hired the player's favorite high school coach to become a position coach, or assistant position coach, at the university.

So of course he's going to slobber all over Rashan Gary. But those of you who are now defending Gary sure sound like you're desperately hunting for reasons to think he was a good pick - after so many of us talking about how Gutekunst needed a difference-maker with that high of a pick. Now Gary sounds like the second coming of Nick Perry, who most Packerrats were disgruntled with - and he was picked late in the first round. Wist hated Thompson drafting a college defensive lineman who had to convert to OLB - and here we are with a college defensive lineman converting to OLB, and everyone's explaining why that's okay. And why it's okay he's a good run-stopper, and why it's okay he may not get many sacks.

Weird universe.

It depends on who you're looking to convert, and what scheme you're running.

Perry was smaller, stiffer, slower, and less athletic than Gary. He also had the handicap of playing in Capers idiotic 2-4.

That said, I think Perry would have been more effective in Pettines 3-3, and he didn't have the talent playing alongside him that Gary will have, but in total I think Gary is leaps and bounds better than Perry.

I got pretty much everything I wanted out of this offseason. We finally have a defensive front, and scheme, I think can really make some noise.

Oddly enough, at least on the defensive side of the ball, I'm a happy camper

[Bretsky]

Will he have MORE or LESS sacks then your other guy Kyle Fackrell ???

WIST ????

[mraynrand]

Partridge is at Michigan because Harbaugh wanted Rashan Gary so he did what big time (read "gaming the system") college coaches do: he hired the player's favorite high school coach to become a position coach, or assistant position coach, at the university.

So of course he's going to slobber all over Rashan Gary. But those of you who are now defending Gary sure sound like you're desperately hunting for reasons to think he was a good pick - after so many of us talking about how Gutekunst needed a difference-maker with that high of a pick. Now Gary sounds like the second coming of Nick Perry, who most Packerrats were disgruntled with - and he was picked late in the first round. Wist hated Thompson drafting a college defensive lineman who had to convert to OLB - and here we are with a college defensive lineman converting to OLB, and everyone's explaining why that's okay. And why it's okay he's a good run-stopper, and why it's okay he may not get many sacks.

Weird universe.

[wist43]

WIST ????

More... although I can just see Fackrell falling backward, never touching the QB, yet still getting credit for 10 sacks

[RashanGary]

I watched some game tape of Gary after the draft because what I had read about him was so different from what Gutey was saying. Based on what I had heard, I was kind of expecting to see another Datone Jones. What I saw was a much more physical player. I kind of got the sense that the Michigan coaching staff didn't do a particularly good job of finding ways to utilize Gary's unique (for a man his size) athletic skills. My hope and expectation is that Pettine's staff can do better.

Yeah. He’s a powerful dude. He regularly plows tackles straight back. Different than Perry. More consistent. Sometime it’s a one arm stab that damn near lifts a dude off his feet. He’s the strongest man on the field and he’s only 277. I’ve seen some good players come out of college. At 277 though, I haven’t seen anyone so consistently powerful. Or faster. He’s a rare talent. Gute had confidence in the pick too. He said production is in the eye of the beholder. He said Gary wrecked the game for offenses. When I turned on the tape that’s what I saw. Gary was a brute force. A difference maker. A rare powerhorse that regularly beat the shit out of the guy in front of him like a school yard bully. There is a reason Wist likes him.

12 might be a steal.

[RashanGary]

Nick Perry is a bad comparison. Mike Daniels with Micah Hyde speed is more like it.