First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2019/04/26/dougherty-packers-spring-surprises-further-bolstering-defense/3578261002/

“Production is just the way you look at it, right?” Gutekunst said. “If you watch the tape and you look at some of the different kind of (analytics) stats, he affected the passer. He affected the game, and at times he wrecked it. Certainly he is a premier athlete. He has an exceptional motor on the field. Really since February, we really locked in on him.”

“These are big men with length and power and speed,” Gutekunst said. “I felt we needed to get bigger in the front, and we have. And we needed to get more explosive in the front, and I think we have. Not a coincidence. Those are the body types we’re looking for.”

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz, you said, I think, that you had him rated as the sixth best pass rusher? I'm assuming the five in front of him were not all drafted by the #12 pick, right?

Sweat and Burns were the two that were higher than Gary and went after the 12th pick. Gary was the biggest edge player I had on my list.

[Spaulding]

Rashan Gary

Will admit I was less than impressed initially with the pick but a Michigan fan reminded me of Frank Clark and how he ended up as a stud.

Anyways the fan/friend believes Gary to have a better motor and to have faced more focus from opposing offenses than Clark did.

Stats wise, Clark evidently only put up 11.5 sacks in his 3+ years at Michigan with 9.5 coming his final two years (where Gary put up 9 in his last two years).

Just saying for those of you on the ledge that there might be reason for some hope.

[RashanGary]

Gary didn’t play in a gap. He played 6 tech. Hard to say what he’s gonna look like shooting gaps because he just didn’t do it. He stood up a lineman. Similar to what a nose 0-tech does. Time will tell.

[pbmax]

Gary didn’t play in a gap. He played 6 tech. Hard to say what he’s gonna look like shooting gaps because he just didn’t do it. He stood up a lineman. Similar to what a nose 0-tech does. Time will tell.

6 tech is over the TE. He was a 3 point stance SOLB. He was a power end, not to be confused with a power bottom.

[Teamcheez1]

Will admit I was less than impressed initially with the pick but a Michigan fan reminded me of Frank Clark and how he ended up as a stud.

Anyways the fan/friend believes Gary to have a better motor and to have faced more focus from opposing offenses than Clark did.

Stats wise, Clark evidently only put up 11.5 sacks in his 3+ years at Michigan with 9.5 coming his final two years (where Gary put up 9 in his last two years).

Just saying for those of you on the ledge that there might be reason for some hope.

I was on the ledge, then I realized that we were headed into the weekend and I had plenty of cold beer left. No reason to end things early.

[Deputy Nutz]

Playing as the strong side end, or power end in the 6 tech means you are always getting chipped and picked up by the tackle. It's one of the more difficult positions to play because you are signaling with your alignment that you command a double team and you are usually pass rushing into 600 pounds of guard and tackle after getting chipped by the tight end. Michigan also stunted him quite a bit as well as teams were worried it usually worked as two linemen stayed with Gary.

He can run on film, all of those combine numbers do show up on film. I think the move to outside linebacker will benefit him more than hinder his growth. I think he will be a bit better in space.

[George Cumby]

Watching the Ohio state video Pb posted, he was getting doubled and chipped left and right. The first tackle for a loss he showed some really nifty feet. He looks pretty strong

[pbmax]

Here are some clips, both positive and negative. Helps sort the critique out a bit.

https://twitter.com/RossUglem/status/1121783195144421377

[mraynrand]

Heart wall measurements are done by echo, not CT.

true enough. note eye rolls. They do echo and tell you all sorts of things about wall thickness, etc., then do scans to tell you that Rodgers is 'healed enough to play.' Last time I relied on 'super doppler' for a weather report I got all wet. Maybe I misinterpreted the pixel density.

[Fritz]

I was just listening to Detroit sports radio, and the fans here are laughing at the Packers for picking Gary. Here's one exchange between a caller and the talk show host, and this about sums it up:

Caller: "I'm really glad the Packers picked Gary. Now when we play them, we know to run right at whatever side Gary's playing, and Stafford doesn't have to worry about a pass rush from that side when it's a pass."

Host: "Yeah, I'm puzzled by that pick. I think the Packers got fooled by Gary's measurables. They got an athlete, not a football player."

I'm trying to take some comfort in Nutz's comment that Gary will be better playing in space, that the guy was always double-teamed, but man, in the end we're trying to find excuses for the #12 overall pick lacking production in his college career.

It's just a crummy pick. I predict he'll be banged up all the time.

Plus, there's his mentality. He's got the mind of a businessman, not a football player. And good for him. But I just don't think he's got the mental makeup to take advantage of all those measurables he has. He didn't at Michigan.

[denverYooper]

I was just listening to Detroit sports radio, and the fans here are laughing at the Packers for picking Gary. Here's one exchange between a caller and the talk show host, and this about sums it up:

Caller: "I'm really glad the Packers picked Gary. Now when we play them, we know to run right at whatever side Gary's playing, and Stafford doesn't have to worry about a pass rush from that side when it's a pass."

Host: "Yeah, I'm puzzled by that pick. I think the Packers got fooled by Gary's measurables. They got an athlete, not a football player."

I'm trying to take some comfort in Nutz's comment that Gary will be better playing in space, that the guy was always double-teamed, but man, in the end we're trying to find excuses for the #12 overall pick lacking production in his college career.

It's just a crummy pick. I predict he'll be banged up all the time.

Plus, there's his mentality. He's got the mind of a businessman, not a football player. And good for him. But I just don't think he's got the mental makeup to take advantage of all those measurables he has. He didn't at Michigan.

How do they feel about being the only team to draft a TE in the top ten for the second time in 5 years?

[bobblehead]

Why do people think he doesn't care? I've read lots of reports about how hard he works.

I'm not saying he doesn't. I can't know that. People suspect he doesn't because he didn't elevate to his talent.

[bobblehead]

Will admit I was less than impressed initially with the pick but a Michigan fan reminded me of Frank Clark and how he ended up as a stud.

Anyways the fan/friend believes Gary to have a better motor and to have faced more focus from opposing offenses than Clark did.

Stats wise, Clark evidently only put up 11.5 sacks in his 3+ years at Michigan with 9.5 coming his final two years (where Gary put up 9 in his last two years).

Just saying for those of you on the ledge that there might be reason for some hope.

I think the best reason for hope is Alexander. Gutes proved he evaluated well with that pick. It will take us awhile before we can give him a complete evaluation. TT never made us happy in the draft, yet there we were in the playoffs every year.

[mraynrand]

Caller: "I'm really glad the Packers picked Gary. Now when we play them, we know to run right at whatever side Gary's playing, and Stafford doesn't have to worry about a pass rush from that side when it's a pass."

To me, this is the final straw. When Caller comes out against Gary, you know things are bad.

Maybe he was referring to Gary, Indiana?