First Round Pick 2019, Rashan Gary

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When he lost his burst, he lost his effectiveness.

NOOOO

actually and article came out saying he was a juicer

after the NFL became aware of this and started watching him, he became almost complete shit

i think its pretty clear where that burst came from, so because of that you almost have to put an * behind his name

[mraynrand]

NOOOO

actually and article came out saying he was a juicer

after the NFL became aware of this and started watching him, he became almost complete shit

i think its pretty clear where that burst came from, so because of that you almost have to put an * behind his name

Wonder how many other NFL Players are in this category.

[RashanGary]

NOOOO

actually and article came out saying he was a juicer

after the NFL became aware of this and started watching him, he became almost complete shit

i think its pretty clear where that burst came from, so because of that you almost have to put an * behind his name

Very true. But I don’t really care if they use steroids. I’m just happy to win.

But on a completely different note, Rashan Gary was an 18 year old phenom; bigger, faster, stronger than everyone else. The guy is today’s version of a bible thumping do-gooder. I’m gonna go ahead and bet mraynrands entire June salary that Gary’s freakism is all natural.

With that in mind, our thug is gonna be bitch slapping Vikings and Bears for years to come!

[pbmax]

Let me channel Tank and tell you that its easy to cook the books for PEDs. I don't buy the no juicing after Mike Neal's Excellent Adventure explanation. He didn't get smaller.

He is still quick and fast and he has never had a monster power move. People adjusted. Long before Neal's Adventure, McGinn wrote about how he didn't win one on one versus Tackles. Go watch the San Fran games. He torched Joe Staley once, and Staley stalemated him after that.

He had a motor and a great first step. He was not a prime edge guy like Von Miler. He was at least one tier below that at his best.

One new thing is that I have seen him give up on plays before he used to. I think he is just old.

[mraynrand]

^^^. All true. I think they covered for him in Seattle with the ‘concussion’. I think he ran out of steam. I’ve never liked him 1-on-1 versus the other team’s best tackle (LT). He has always been too easy to stone. As he loses his short quickness and stamina what’s left? Pistachio commercials I guess.

[pbmax]

Its kinda unfair to Matthews. He did all he could. He seems a good guy. But he had a reputation as a sack meister on a starting to fail defense. Nowhere to do but down.

Its not like he was a QB and could hold that off forever.

[run pMc]

Matthews had a very quick first step/burst that gave some tackles fits. He absolutely wrecked the Charles Leno/Jay Cutler Bears a couple of times, but yeah, once Raji and Jenkins weren't there he struggled because it's possible to neutralize one player. He showed more hustle when he was younger and seemed more explosive. I think he bulked up a little bit to take on 320 pound OTs and that -- plus hamstring injuries and age -- cost him the explosiveness that made him tough to defend.

I have nothing against Clay -- I think he played his guts out -- but he's not going to sniff 10 sacks again unless he is featured in a scheme as a DPR...which for a 30+ year old would be risky at best.

I get the sense that Gary is a different kind of player. The injuries and lack of production are concerns for me as previously noted, and I'm not on the bandwagon. I do think they could develop him into a good player, but I am skeptical he will be a bonafide playmaker that teams will have to account for and occasionally double like they did Clay. (Then again, I didn't see Clay turning into the player he did, so ???? ) Picking at #12 my expectation is they get a playmaker, and I'm not positive Gary is one. I hope I'm wrong.

Time will tell.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's believable that Gary is not a PED user - assuming he didn't start as early as high school. He was already a monster by the time he entered college. The kind you worry about are the guys who make a sudden leap forward in quality or size - it ain't always drug-aided, but certainly could be.

I don't know whether it was coaching, motivation, circumstances, or some combination that caused Gary to have less than super numbers in college. IMO, though, he is a chance worth taking, especially since we filled the edge rusher hole in free agency.

Besides, the Packers are long overdue to get lucky with a draft pick or several.

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i don't think gary is a PED user, just a massive underachiever

which IMO is worse. at lest the PED guys are trying to get better

still, everything i read says he is at best a project. thats not what i wanted from our highest pick in a decade

[RashanGary]

i don't think gary is a PED user, just a massive underachiever

which IMO is worse. at lest the PED guys are trying to get better

still, everything i read says he is at best a project. thats not what i wanted from our highest pick in a decade

The way you phrase things is so blunt, it often makes me laugh my ass off. If you watch a full game tape though, you’ll see a guy achieving victories snap after snap. I’d call him an achiever and a great pick at 12.

[Teamcheez1]

i don't think gary is a PED user, just a massive underachiever

which IMO is worse. at lest the PED guys are trying to get better

still, everything i read says he is at best a project. thats not what i wanted from our highest pick in a decade

Gary may not ever be a great NFL player or could catch the injury bug. I sure hope not.
I'm not sure that I ever read him labeled as a project though by draft analysts.

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Gary may not ever be a great NFL player or could catch the injury bug. I sure hope not.
I'm not sure that I ever read him labeled as a project though by draft analysts.

When a site says he has yet to live up to his potential, hat means he’s a project

When sites say “with the right coaching he could turn into a good player”, that’s a project

When a guy plays DE in college, and a lot of people think he would be better at DT, and we’re going to play him at OLB, that’s a project

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one thing i absolutely can't stand when watching him in all the VS videos, ishow he doesn't play whistle to whistle. he gives up on almost every single play

if a teammate gets to the offensive player first, and wraps him up, gary will just pull up and stand there and watch as other teammates fly in to bring the guy down

he rarely seems to try and run guys down from behind. if he gets just one yard behind the play, he will pull up and start jogging

if you just watch his highlights you see a guy giving good effort, but if you watch the other 90-95% of his plays, you see a guy giving minimum effort, and giving up way too early

[wist43]

Good grief you guys are haters on this guy, lol...

I don't see a lack of hustle. My knocks on him are his need to develop better technique, and the ??? shoulder.

I'm like Bobble, I wanted Burns, i.e. to quote Bobble, "a twitchy edge demon". My thinking with Burns is that he will continue to fill out, and has a shot to be a beast.

Gary however, is a more complete player. Very stout at the point, and quick enough off the edge. Not as quick as Burns, but he's good. Gary has a chance to be a very good player.

[Bretsky]

Good grief you guys are haters on this guy, lol...

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Ha; you started the revolt Benedict ) I believe it went something like this; this guy will be out of the league in 3 years

There is no doubt the guy has talent; but the talent is way higher than the production. Many Michigan fans call him an underachiever. Packer fans did too...UNTIL we drafted him.

Now we call him somebody with great upside.