Packer Rats Winners and Losers of GB VS CHI

[FavreChild]

Oh, well, I'm glad at least M3 got a good LEARNING EXPERIENCE out of this debacle....

Sorry for the negativity. And thanks for posting, motife. But just about anything M3 possibly could say is empty and meaningless right now. I mean, this is the guy who talked about what a great thing FOR HIM his hiring was. Ugh.

But we're stuck with the guy, so....there it is.

[Partial]

Just listened to the McCarthy interview.

He sounded very rational. Says it's a great learning experience.

Mccarthy's definitely not a whiner.

If this team stays scrappy, I like it. I like the commitment to the running game. Favre needs protection, but let's face it, he's a borderline liability to this team and to some extent is holding back its future progress. I love Favre, but he's becoming another Vinny Testaverde.

Bob Sanders and his whole staff must be fired and a real Defensive co-ordinator hired before we know what kind of talent we have. This is a Bob Slowik type defensive staff.


But for the reason for the post is, at the end of the interview something he said he thinks his biggest problem is his team not getting a big head from their successes.

Where was the interview? I agree, I really want us to bring in an agressive coordinator. I would love for us to go after someone from San Diegos or Pittsburgs staffs.

[motife]

Where was the interview? I agree, I really want us to bring in an agressive coordinator. I would love for us to go after someone from San Diegos or Pittsburgs staffs.

http://www.packers.com/multimedia/audio/2006_game_audio/

[MJZiggy]

Partial, I just don't see that happening once the season's begun. I think we're stuck with the coaches we've got for the duration of the season.

[RashanGary]

Hey...On the bright side, we should get another high pick next year. If we're lucky, a stud RB will fall to us at pick #8 or whereever we pick.

The Bears are a great team. I knew they would compete for the SB this year. The Packers are at least one more year away from even smelling a playoff birth. I got a kick out of everyone here talking about us beating the Bears.

I'm not jumping off any bridges anytime soon. The Packers are a young, up and coming team. They will improve. They won't be dominate for a while but each year the team will get stronger and stronger.

[BananaMan]

KGB, he barely held up against the run today, but the fact that he had 1 pressure on Grossman all day should tell you that he needs to be given not only plays off, but whole series off. He was invisible in the second half of the ball game today.

Nutz, I highly disagree with you here. In the first half KGB was VERY solid against the run. I was amazed. And while he didn't get a ton of pressure, he still took up double teams and allowed Kampman and others to do well.

[mraynrand]

The defense gave up one TD on a mental mistake, then allowed 4 FGs, including one following a TO on a kickoff, right? That's 16 points on the defense. Given the piss poor offense - the same offense that couldn't get past the 50 without a fake punt, how can anyone pin this loss on the defense? And for the record, Favre was 5-5 in the first half. When is the last time Favre threw five passes in one half. If, as a coach, you've quit on Favre, what the hell are you starting him for? I think TT doesn't really want him there, but was too chicken to try to trade him. What a miserable development. ASk yourself this -which Packer offensive roster looked worse on paper - the roster on Dec 25, 2005, or today's? Which team performed better? Why?

[BallHawk]

They haven't given up on Favre, we just didn't have time to pass the ball. On one play we had Spitz step on his foot, on other we had 1st and 30. Favre was passing well, but the O-line just didn't give them the oppurtunity to go to it, as needed.

[retailguy]

The defense gave up one TD on a mental mistake, then allowed 4 FGs, including one following a TO on a kickoff, right? That's 16 points on the defense. Given the piss poor offense - the same offense that couldn't get past the 50 without a fake punt, how can anyone pin this loss on the defense? And for the record, Favre was 5-5 in the first half. When is the last time Favre threw five passes in one half. If, as a coach, you've quit on Favre, what the hell are you starting him for? I think TT doesn't really want him there, but was too chicken to try to trade him. What a miserable development. ASk yourself this -which Packer offensive roster looked worse on paper - the roster on Dec 25, 2005, or today's? Which team performed better? Why?

I know where you're going here, and I agree with most of what you say, but you're never going to win this here. Sherman is the scapegoat. Always will be, and that's very sad.

[woodbuck27]

For the record, I predicted 5-7 wins. In hindsight, a thimble full of kool-aid must have clouded my thought process. Clean and sober, 3-4 wins seems about right.

a prediction of 3-4 wins after what we witnessed today = optimistic.

Will someone put some oil in the engine,PLEASE.

Oh. . lots of oil . . I see . then...

"no gas... got any gas"?

What's that?...... Oh ! Water in the gas. OK.

[woodbuck27]

There's a series of "little ifs" forming in my mind. If Herron doesn't drop that punt, take 3 off for Chi., if the 3rd and 4th and inches are spotted correctly, the Pack keep possession (I think M3 should have challenged the spot.), if the hold on Caroll is called, take 7 off for Chicago, We still sucked, but the D did fairly well at holding them off in the red zone. Just a thought--the score really could have been closer...

Is 16 to ZERO better than 26 to ZERO, MJ?

ZERO = ZERO !

[woodbuck27]

Partial, I just don't see that happening once the season's begun. I think we're stuck with the coaches we've got for the duration of the season.

Yup! That sets up a scapegoat scenario MJ.

[Joemailman]

The defense gave up one TD on a mental mistake, then allowed 4 FGs, including one following a TO on a kickoff, right? That's 16 points on the defense. Given the piss poor offense - the same offense that couldn't get past the 50 without a fake punt, how can anyone pin this loss on the defense? And for the record, Favre was 5-5 in the first half. When is the last time Favre threw five passes in one half. If, as a coach, you've quit on Favre, what the hell are you starting him for? I think TT doesn't really want him there, but was too chicken to try to trade him. What a miserable development. ASk yourself this -which Packer offensive roster looked worse on paper - the roster on Dec 25, 2005, or today's? Which team performed better? Why?

It is true that the defense only gave up 16 points. However, to give up that score on the first drive of the game was huge. In recent years, the Packers defense has all too often allowed opposing teams to come into Lambeau and score right off the bat. This has to stop if the Packers are ever going to re-establish a home-field advantage.

I was also struck by the lack of use of the passing game in the first half. To be down 16-0 at half, with Favre being 5-5 was just bizarre. I know McCarthy doesn't want Favre to have to carry the offense on his back alone, but Favre is not an old geezer in a wheelchair.

I realize success will not be overnight. I predicted this team would have a losing record in the 1st half of the season, and turn things around in the 2nd half. I just hope McCarthy realizes that Favre is still the guy with the best chance to be a difference maker on offense.

[mraynrand]

It is true that the defense only gave up 16 points. However, to give up that score on the first drive of the game was huge. .

I'll give you this one. And it's an even bigger error when the Packers were burned on an IDENTICAL play (play fake and bomb to Berrian) in that Dec. 25 2005 game. Bob Sanders was there, and he must have watched the tape more than once. How do you F this up?

[Bossman641]

KGB, he barely held up against the run today, but the fact that he had 1 pressure on Grossman all day should tell you that he needs to be given not only plays off, but whole series off. He was invisible in the second half of the ball game today.

Nutz, I highly disagree with you here. In the first half KGB was VERY solid against the run. I was amazed. And while he didn't get a ton of pressure, he still took up double teams and allowed Kampman and others to do well.

I agree with the Bananaman here. I thought KGB played the run pretty well. There was one run where he pinched inside and Jones was able to cut it back behind him but other than that he was decent.

I have to admit that I don't watch him much on passing downs so I have no idea if he was getting doubled or chipped. I do remember him beating his man one play though and then getting obviously held and basically tackled by the LT. A flag came out and I figured for sure it was offensive holding, but instead it was a holding call on Woodson.