Packer Rats Winners and Losers of GB VS CHI

[HarveyWallbangers]

I thought it was a bad spot also. There's no way he lost yardage. However, you have to get well past the marker in those situations, or you have nobody to blame but yourself.

[Patler]

Some times I wish he'd eat the ball late in game when there is no hope, but that wouldn't be Favre. People will now say he played terrible because he threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter when the team was down 26-0.

My biggest beef with Favre is that he throws interception in situations he doesn't have to. He forces things that aren't there, when he doesn't have to.

First interception:
Packers pick up two first downs driving from their 34 to Chicago's 44. On 1st and 10, Favre throws an interception.

Second interception:
Packers get a good punt return from Woodson (28 yards) and pick up another 1st down to have 1st and 10 at the Chicago 37. On first down again Favre throws an interception.

In both situations it was 1st down, and the team had moved the ball some. In both situations, but especially the one back to the middle of the field, he took an unneccessary chance on 1st down in Bear territory. Wait for third down, or at least 2nd down for the risky throw. Be safer on 1st down, have a chance for second down.

Sometimes, and I've felt this his entire career, he loses a sense of the situation. Let the play go, stay alive for another chance, THEN take the riskier option.

Interceptions on bad decisions on 1st down really aggravate me!

[MJZiggy]

Wonder if his coach gave him hell for it?

[HarveyWallbangers]

The first one was just a bad overthrow. It wasn't a bad decision. The receiver was open. If I remember correctly, he had some pressure which might have been partly to blame for the bad throw. Still a bad throw. I was in the bathroom for the second interception, so I can't comment on that one. It was still 26-0, so did the interceptions mean anything? Not really. Up until the game got out of reach, he was probably one of the five best players for the Packers--although that's not saying much.

[Patler]

The first one was just a bad overthrow. It wasn't a bad decision. The receiver was open. If I remember correctly, he had some pressure which might have been partly to blame for the bad throw. Still a bad throw. I was in the bathroom for the second interception, so I can't comment on that one. It was still 26-0, so did the interceptions mean anything? Not really. Up until the game got out of reach, he was probably one of the five best players for the Packers--although that's not saying much.

I'm willing to overlook the overthrow. Jennings was the target, and may not even have been exactly where Favre expected him. it kind of looked that way, a bit.

Now the other one didn't mean much as far as the outcome, the Packers weren't going to win. However, especially with a young team you want something positive. A conservative, scoring drive would have been a positive. It would show they CAN score against one of the best defenses in the league. It would have been a positive to build on. Now they have nothing.

BTW - the other was a classic, foolish throw back into the middle of the field late in the play. Those are picked off routinely for all QBs. Reportedly, had it gotten through it could have gone for a long play. It's not a good risk on 1st down, maybe on 3rd.

This team needs patient leadership from Favre, not an impatient gunslinger. He doesn't have the offensive tools for it, and I'm not sure he has the personal skills for it anymore, game after game. The team needs to learn to walk before it runs, to use a cliche. At times Favre will need to walk with them.

[Deputy Nutz]

BTW - the other was a classic, foolish throw back into the middle of the field late in the play. Those are picked off routinely for all QBs. Reportedly, had it gotten through it could have gone for a long play. It's not a good risk on 1st down, maybe on 3rd.

This is exactly why he ended up as a loser this past week. Those INTs didn't play a factor on Sunday but they are going to add to his total of 30 at the end of the year. I guess if Favre doesn't care about making foolish rookie mistakes why should I?

Also he believes he can still make that throw. The bottom line is he can't. He can still rifle a ball when he is in the pocket and he can use the rest of his body, but when he is rolling one direction and tries to throw it back the other way, the only thing he proves is that his arm is now that of human category.

[Fritz]

"No pass rush."
- Harvey

Of all that's been written as to why the Pack was so awful, this is the one aspect I think has been most overlooked. I mean, we all know the offensive line didn't play well, and you can't win if you don't score, but that's pretty obvious. Fewer people have commented on the fact that, like last year, and the year before, and maybe before that, too, the Packers allow opposing QB's to sit back in the pocket and survey the field. Sometimes for hours on end. With some pressure on the pocket I don't think that the GB linebackers and secondary would have looked quite so ordinary.

TT better be scouring colleges for the guy that can get into the offensive backfield, fast. Doesn't matter whether it's a DT or DE.

[red]

"No pass rush."
- Harvey

Of all that's been written as to why the Pack was so awful, this is the one aspect I think has been most overlooked. I mean, we all know the offensive line didn't play well, and you can't win if you don't score, but that's pretty obvious. Fewer people have commented on the fact that, like last year, and the year before, and maybe before that, too, the Packers allow opposing QB's to sit back in the pocket and survey the field. Sometimes for hours on end. With some pressure on the pocket I don't think that the GB linebackers and secondary would have looked quite so ordinary.

TT better be scouring colleges for the guy that can get into the offensive backfield, fast. Doesn't matter whether it's a DT or DE.

dwight freeney

give up a 1st round pick for him if we have too, even if its the #1 overall

[Fritz]

Is he on the trading block?

How old is he?

[rdanomly]

"No pass rush."
- Harvey

Of all that's been written as to why the Pack was so awful, this is the one aspect I think has been most overlooked. I mean, we all know the offensive line didn't play well, and you can't win if you don't score, but that's pretty obvious. Fewer people have commented on the fact that, like last year, and the year before, and maybe before that, too, the Packers allow opposing QB's to sit back in the pocket and survey the field. Sometimes for hours on end. With some pressure on the pocket I don't think that the GB linebackers and secondary would have looked quite so ordinary.

TT better be scouring colleges for the guy that can get into the offensive backfield, fast. Doesn't matter whether it's a DT or DE.

dwight freeney

give up a 1st round pick for him if we have too, even if its the #1 overall

He didn't seem to have much of an impact last night for what its worth..

[Patler]

"No pass rush."
- Harvey

Of all that's been written as to why the Pack was so awful, this is the one aspect I think has been most overlooked. I mean, we all know the offensive line didn't play well, and you can't win if you don't score, but that's pretty obvious. Fewer people have commented on the fact that, like last year, and the year before, and maybe before that, too, the Packers allow opposing QB's to sit back in the pocket and survey the field. Sometimes for hours on end. With some pressure on the pocket I don't think that the GB linebackers and secondary would have looked quite so ordinary.

TT better be scouring colleges for the guy that can get into the offensive backfield, fast. Doesn't matter whether it's a DT or DE.

I think the problem was more that they couldn't put coverage and pressure together on the same play. If the pressure was there, someone was wide open. When coverage was better, there was no pressure.

Kampman had a sack and four hits on Grossman.
Jenkins got good pressure a couple times.
Barnett knocked Grossman down once on a blitz.
Didn't Hawk get there once too?

That's not bad pressure, but except for Barnett's interception there wasn't much coverage with it.

[red]

yeah, hawk had a knockdown

he blitzed right up the middle and was untouched, grosman had to unload right before hawk hit him. i think it was an imcomplete. or was that the play where grossman threw the ball at the back of his lineman and got a flag?

[CyclonePackFan]

Winners

Ahman Green - Came back from a major injury to put up triple digit yardage on one of if not the best defenses in the league, in his contract year. If he stays healthy, he's won himself a new contract.

Vonta Leach's run blocking - No way Green racks up 100 yards without it. Leach pancaked both Urlacher and Hillenmeyer at points in the game. Now if only he could learn to pass block, run with the ball, and catch, we'd have a great replacement for Henderson.

Aaron Kampman - Ted Thompson showed him the money. He earned it.

A. J. Hawk - His stats don't show it, but he was around the ball all day. Made great plays taking on blockers, great team effort.

Donald Driver - Or should I just call him, "the passing game"

Me, and every other die-hard on the season ticket waiting list - Thump..Thump..Thump.. Hear that? That's the sound of the remaining bandwagoners jumping off. Maybe I won't have to wait 44 more years after all. I wish I could speed it up without us sucking, but hey, I'm looking for positives here.

Losers

Brett Favre - Somehow I have a feeling this conversation occurred in the 2nd half:

Brett: Come on, coach, let me sling it around
MM: We can't have turnovers against this team. We're already down, we need to drive the field, not just hand it back to them.
Brett: Fuck you. I'm Brett Favre. I'll do what I want.
MM: ...OK Brett. Go for it. You do what you want.
<2 interceptions later>
MM: So....ready to listen to me?
Brett: STFU.

Mark Tauscher and Chad Clifton - How did the two veterans perform worse than two rookie guards?

David Martin - You fail, please try again...but with another team when your contract runs out at the end of the year ^_^

KGB - Overpaid, Underperformed

Brady Poppinga - So....isn't BYU great preparation for the NFL?

Samkon Gado - 2 attempts, -7 yards. Hope you enjoy being a doctor.

Dave Raynor - PREDICTION, MARK IT DOWN:

With their first selection in the third round, the Green Bay Packers select Mason Crosby, Kicker, Colorado

[MJZiggy]

Mike McCarthy did many things in the second half. Smirking was not among the things he did.

[CyclonePackFan]

Mike McCarthy did many things in the second half. Smirking was not among the things he did.

I really was at a loss to better describe the situation. I can't picture him saying "I told you so" to Brett, so I went with the smirk. You know there had to be some "Why doesn't he listen" or "Dammit I hate being right"...I'm going to edit that

Also, did anybody else notice that Brett was the first player off the field? I don't even think he stayed around for handshakes.