RANDOM MUSINGS FROM TRANING CAMP...WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD...THE GOOD AND THE BAD

[RashanGary]

Completely agree with this. Watching Forehead Manning work his Tourette Syndrome routine at the line prior to the snap was nails on the chalkboard to me. Could barely watch a Colts or Broncos game with the constant histrionics. Great QB yes, fun to watch no.

Manning was the worst. But I got to see one of the most inspiring field generals (Favre) for 15 years so I know what beat the shit out of the opponent pace looks like and Rodgers has never done it. He tinkers and thinks so much it slows the run game and takes away from aggression. Manning was way worse, but Rodgers is bad enough. Favre/McCarthy were better. It’s a Rodgers thing, so I’m glad to see mlf pushing pace so hard. Rodgers needs it.

[texaspackerbacker]

You don't recall the success of the no huddle offense? You don't recall getting plays off so quick that you get a free play as the opponent can't get off the field in time?

That's pace. It has its place, and playing some chess with the D has its place too.

If you're the Wisconsin Badgers in college football - dominant line, running back U., etc., and somebody like Hornibrook at QB, then you line up and ram it down their throat. But if you have the Packers O Line and the super mobile GOAT QB, then you tinker around and see if the D will tip off its coverage or if you can end up with a good match up - sometimes anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a little bit less of that because our WRs are so good this year ....... on the other hand, doesn't LaFleur's offense have a lot of motion - which takes time and might slow pace a little bit.

[Bretsky]

From ESPN

Gary has really stood out; they'd be surprised if he wasn't a Pro Bowler within a couple years

Defense really looking good...reallly good...............offense......not so much.

Pondering if that is due to our defense......or......the offense is just not that good

[Joemailman]

From ESPN

Gary has really stood out; they'd be surprised if he wasn't a Pro Bowler within a couple years

Defense really looking good...reallly good...............offense......not so much.

Pondering if that is due to our defense......or......the offense is just not that good

Well, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that everyone on offense is learning a new system that is very different from the old one. The defense is expanding on what they learned last year. Early in the year especially this team will need to rely on the defense as the offense faces several of the NFL's top defenses.

Plus, let's face it. The defense should be more talented right now. Over the last 4 years the Packers have had 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds. 10 have been defensive players. 3 of the Packers 4 big FA signings last year were on defense.

[call_me_ishmael]

Well, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that everyone on offense is learning a new system that is very different from the old one. The defense is expanding on what they learned last year. Early in the year especially this team will need to rely on the defense as the offense faces several of the NFL's top defenses.

Plus, let's face it. The defense should be more talented right now. Over the last 4 years the Packers have had 13 draft picks in the first 3 rounds. 10 have been defensive players. 3 of the Packers 4 big FA signings last year were on defense.

Another thoughtful and great post. I appreciate it. I suspect you're right and we're going to see that talent start to shine this year on D. For those players that are three years in, this is their first year with some continuity.

<homer>Personally, I am more excited about this Packers team than last years and maybe even the year before. Maybe it's my homerism or blind optimism, but I am convinced (privately) that this team could be a super bowl contender. I am also sort of convinced Rashan Gary is going to be the steal of the draft.</homer>

Sort of like Philly, the Packers may not be great in any specific area, but they really don't have any holes as far as units go.

As an aside, for all year took of Gary and Z Smith this summer, I have heard very little mention of Preston Smith from the beat writers on Twitter. Am I wrong about that?

[pbmax]

Manning was the worst. But I got to see one of the most inspiring field generals (Favre) for 15 years so I know what beat the shit out of the opponent pace looks like and Rodgers has never done it. He tinkers and thinks so much it slows the run game and takes away from aggression. Manning was way worse, but Rodgers is bad enough. Favre/McCarthy were better. It’s a Rodgers thing, so I’m glad to see mlf pushing pace so hard. Rodgers needs it.

Your memory is faulty. Favre did not play with pace like you describe.

Rodgers and McCarthy have played it both faster and slower. Epically slower if you consider the extended offense, though that was called on the LOS so it keep the defense from substituting.

Better than pace is execution and success. Pace is a second order effect at best (like TOP) and should be a primary concern in designing an offense.

[Bretsky]

SCORING

Wonder if the Packers offense or defense will be rated higher ??

[RashanGary]

SCORING

Wonder if the Packers offense or defense will be rated higher ??

I’m thinking defense. We have so many pass rushers and MLF runs the ball, and that eats clock, so I don’t think we’re gonna see shoot outs.