Will Wide Receivers Hold Back This Offense?

[mraynrand]

One other problem might be the backup speed WR to get to the top of the defense. If MVS isn't available or successful, kinda shortens the field.

an argument for keeping Davis?

[pbmax]

an argument for keeping Davis?

Yes, but I am not sure I trust him given he has had one good camp and one good preseason. But I am not sure what else there is.

[RashanGary]

Kumerow is 6’5” maybe his long strides are deceiving me. But MVS looks lightning quick at 6’4 so I don’t think that’s it. Let’s keep in mind, Rodgers liked Ruvell Martin and Dick Rod was his #2 pass catcher in 2015/2016? Or whatever year that was.

I call him a slug because he looks like quick sand Herron in comparison to the other guys on the team. Him and Lazard look about the same as far as agility and explosiveness go.

Now, he’s so good at being exactly where Rodgers wants him. Plus he plays special teams. If our guys are healthy he’ll never see the field. If he does, Lafleur is gonna have to move him around and keep him away from the line of scrimmage because a slug like that is gonna get roughed up at the line.

Think Dick Rod/Ruvell Martin with Kumerow. That’s my view. His chemistry with Rodgers does make him better for our offense though. So in a pinch he could play, it would just be a big drop off from the guys in front of him.

He’s a great practice player though because he sets an example of where to be against various types of defenses, those subtlties are harder for some guys to pick up and Jake does set the standard there according to AR.

[Upnorth]

What about quickness and catch radius? If a "slow player" can make quick breaks and has a large catch radius a lot of the issues you bring up can be eliminated so long as you don't send him deep every other play.

I have no idea if he is quick, but you are actually watching him. Does he appear to have that quality?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Kumerow is 6’5” maybe his long strides are deceiving me. But MVS looks lightning quick at 6’4 so I don’t think that’s it. Let’s keep in mind, Rodgers liked Ruvell Martin and Dick Rod was his #2 pass catcher in 2015/2016? Or whatever year that was.

I call him a slug because he looks like quick sand Herron in comparison to the other guys on the team. Him and Lazard look about the same as far as agility and explosiveness go.

Now, he’s so good at being exactly where Rodgers wants him. Plus he plays special teams. If our guys are healthy he’ll never see the field. If he does, Lafleur is gonna have to move him around and keep him away from the line of scrimmage because a slug like that is gonna get roughed up at the line.

Think Dick Rod/Ruvell Martin with Kumerow. That’s my view. His chemistry with Rodgers does make him better for our offense though. So in a pinch he could play, it would just be a big drop off from the guys in front of him.

He’s a great practice player though because he sets an example of where to be against various types of defenses, those subtlties are harder for some guys to pick up and Jake does set the standard there according to AR.

Pretty sure Martin had long fled Green Bay long before Favre crossed the Rubicon, and therefore Martin never played with QB1 Aaron Rodgers (they were scout team teammates, though. ).

Perhaps you meant Brett Swain?

Excellent TC reports, btw. I'm making you president of the MVS Bandwagon Club.

[mraynrand]

^^^ I think he was just saying Martin is in the same class as Kumerow, not that they both played with Rodgers. Have to see more of Kumerow to be sure, but the comparison makes sense.

[RashanGary]

What about quickness and catch radius? If a "slow player" can make quick breaks and has a large catch radius a lot of the issues you bring up can be eliminated so long as you don't send him deep every other play.

I have no idea if he is quick, but you are actually watching him. Does he appear to have that quality?

His catch radius is amazing. He catches everything wherever the hell its thrown. And his adjustments to the defense are exactly what AR wants of him according to AR. So he has good qualities. But it’s the NFL, you have to be able to get off the line of scrimmage. If we have to play him I would expect motions and to see him lined up off the line of scrimmage to keep him from being smothered.

[Radagast]

Will WRs hold back this offense?

Such a question to pose of a team in transition. I'll be waiting to see just how many negative posters jump on the Packer Bandwagon when they see how well a running game can open up a field for Wide Receivers.

The thing is that some are not happy unless they something to complain about.

[mraynrand]

The thing is that some are not happy unless they something to complain about.

True. Stop complaining about it.

[RashanGary]

Moore is a guy who’s suddenness jumps out at you. Watching the WRs, he’s got the most burst, even more than Adams. But Adams is bigger so it’s not apples to apples there. Regardless, he has some physical skill. According to AR, they’ve been pushing scheme the early part of camp and starting to ramp up the full offense. Moore has looked lost and skidding to me. But then the two joint practices, Moore has looked damn good. But AR made it sound like it was so vanilla he was falling asleep. So it makes sense that the guy who doesn’t understand football played well when there were no adjustments to be made.

Preseason tends to be vanilla. I expect a big preseason from Moore but i don’t like him as a player at all.

I expect Adams, Graham, Allison and MVS to have limited reps. They are ARs dudes. AR puts all his energy into getting these 4 ready. I know because I see it. And they don’t get anything out of vanilla football with the backup QB so they just won’t play much.

So the preseason hero’s, my bet is on Davis, EQ, Kumerow, Moore and Shepherd.

[RashanGary]

Looking down the road, EQ is a high upside player. Comparing him to the guys I’ve watched this year, he’s tall like Kumerow and Lazard. He also has a suddenness to him, definitely a better athlete than Kumerow and Lazard. Based on last year, as a rookie, he does have at least enough football aptitude to play with AR. So I do see EQ as a long term piece and maybe #2 WR.

Down the road, I can envision a bunch of EQ/MVS outside with Davante in the slot because EQ seems to be the higher upside player over Allison. For right now though, Allison is the guy and a perfect slot piece for this year. Adams is still young enough to have all of his “just enough” speed. As Adams ages though, a move inside will allow him to rack up stats and success later in his career.

[QBME]

I'd hardly call 6'3 - 6'5 "slight".

Do not confuse tall with slim or slight. See Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, etc.

[mraynrand]

Do not confuse tall with slim or slight. See Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, etc.

On that same theme, Davis is far smaller than his height would indicate. At 6' 1" that guy has pencil legs that look thinner than DeSean Jackson's.

[pbmax]

Pretty sure Martin had long fled Green Bay long before Favre crossed the Rubicon, and therefore Martin never played with QB1 Aaron Rodgers (they were scout team teammates, though. ).

Perhaps you meant Brett Swain?

Excellent TC reports, btw. I'm making you president of the MVS Bandwagon Club.

2008. Big Five with Ruvell and Rodgers at QB.

[RashanGary]

I’m kind of annoyed, I noticed Shepherd stand out in the 5 practices I went to. He just always looked crisp and confident and plucks the ball naturally. He looks equally in control and aware in team drills as in isolated WR drills. I could just sort of see he felt comfortable playing NFL football. Annoying now to see the media talk about him. He was my surprise quality dude going into preseason.