Will Wide Receivers Hold Back This Offense?

[RashanGary]

I didn’t go to practices much the last 7-8 years, but I probably have 8, 9 years all together. Thompson used to talk about guys who just sort of rose to the moment, their eyes didn’t get too wide or whatever, just guys who show up and play ball. I’m starting to know how to spot that. It’s the difference between Bakh and Spriggs, the difference between Moore and Shepherd. Some guys just show up and have it. Other guys, physically superior as they may be just don’t get it. They look clunky and robotic or jittery and unsure. But you can see it in practice. You can see the confidence, consistency, sort of natural, intuitive savvy.... little things like adjustments and on the fly corrections after a slip, whatever. You can see the game is slowed down for some guys. They’re thinking ahead a setting things up instead of just trying to robotically do their assignment.

Obviously I can’t be in two places at once. But if I watch one group for 5 days, I can see things that prove true. It Was a fun training camp season for me. I hope I have the time to do it again next year. It’s been a while. I forget how fun it is and it’s cool to see how much better I’ve gotten at spotting football savvy.

[RashanGary]

15 years ago when I started, I could see the speed differences, I could see the explosion differences, but I didn’t quite know how to spot what comfort and confidence and assignment assuredness looked like. Now I can. That’s such a huge factor in predicting success, but also physical limitations can be so great that savvy won’t matter (see dick Rod.) Kumerow is tip toeing that line. He might be just barely athletic enough but he might be just too much of a slug. I’m leaning toward him being a slug tho. Gotta trust my eyes there.

[Teamcheez1]

Kumerow's biggest issues are he is 27 years old and has never really played a full NFL season. Now there are some concerns with his durability after last years injuries and already showing some wear in the preseason. If he is going to be your 5th, 6th, 7th string receiver, people are going to take a flyer on a younger receiver with more potential, whether they pan out or not.

He work very hard and that shows, but even with Rodgers praise, will that be enough to make the roster?

[run pMc]

Yes, but I am not sure I trust him given he has had one good camp and one good preseason. But I am not sure what else there is.

Kumerow ran a 4.52 and 4.56 at his pro day.
EQ ran 4.48 at the combine. If MVS can't do it, I think (as an alternative to Davis) EQ is big/fast enough to give a corner problems on a deep route. 6'5" players who can run sub 4.5's are uncommon. I do think he's better on route that work the middle of the field and is Allison's backup in the slot (when they aren't putting Graham there).

For comparison, Jordy ran a 4.51...what always stood out to me was his 10yd split was 1.50, which is very, very good.

Of course, speed only gets you so far if you can't read a defense, run a sharp route & separate, or fight off a press/jam at the line. (Or catch the ball, cough cough J'Mon)

[pbmax]

Kumerow's biggest issues are he is 27 years old and has never really played a full NFL season. Now there are some concerns with his durability after last years injuries and already showing some wear in the preseason. If he is going to be your 5th, 6th, 7th string receiver, people are going to take a flyer on a younger receiver with more potential, whether they pan out or not.

He work very hard and that shows, but even with Rodgers praise, will that be enough to make the roster?

Will be better if he doesn’t dive in celebrations.

[pbmax]

You’d think with a running game, motion, play action plus Davante and Graham you should be able to scheme MVS, Allison or Krumerow open or single covered.

It should work against zones well. Will need a technician or two to get open versus single coverage beyond MVS on a crosser.

[Upnorth]

If kumerows pro day #'s are still close to true then he isn't as slow as he appears which is a huge advantage,

[RashanGary]

I think I’d rather have an extra bag of official nfl footballs than J’mon Moore, both in regard to usefulness as it pertains to winning football games and just in terms of actual tangible value. J’mon Moore better not be a Packer 3 weeks from now or I’m gonna have a fritzian Gary meltdown.

[Bretsky]

I'm not a fan of J Moore..........but...........he really seems to get open a lot . Is he known to be a really good route runner ?

It does appear he can't catch a thing

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't watch much football, but it seems silly to me to have such a short leash on Moore if he is really that talented and gets open so easily. Give him another year to figure out catching. If he still can't next TC, then you move on.

[RashanGary]

I don't watch much football, but it seems silly to me to have such a short leash on Moore if he is really that talented and gets open so easily. Give him another year to figure out catching. If he still can't next TC, then you move on.

He’s quick and explosive. You can’t teach that. That’s why they took out a 4th round flyer on him. But he’s dumb as a box of rocks and has negative football savvy. It’s like the Brandon “run away from daylight” Jackson version of wide receivers. When it’s a mental capacity problem, it never gets better. It’s more than hands, it’s his whole head that’s broken. You can’t fix stupid.

[MadScientist]

He’s quick and explosive. You can’t teach that. That’s why they took out a 4th round flyer on him. But he’s dumb as a box of rocks and has negative football savvy. It’s like the Brandon “run away from daylight” Jackson version of wide receivers. When it’s a mental capacity problem, it never gets better. It’s more than hands, it’s his whole head that’s broken. You can’t fix stupid.

Other than the slip, it seemed like he was getting to where he needed to be. All the reports were that he was putting in the work to be a professional receiver. But bad hands / receiving technique are going to doom him unless they are fixed in the next 3 games.

[pbmax]

James Lofton said of Moore that he has poor hand position. Never in my history of following pro football have I seen a WR solve a hands problem. That dates to Willis Adams from the 1980 draft.

The closest I have seen anyone come to this is Jerry Rice. Who, after his rookie season, was known for bobbling the ball a little bit.

[texaspackerbacker]

To keep Moore, the Packers would probably need to both keep 7 WRs and cut or PS Shepherd and Lazard. While it would be nice to try and give him another year to develop, it just may not happen - barring an injury or two to the players on the rungs above him.

[bobblehead]

James Lofton said of Moore that he has poor hand position. Never in my history of following pro football have I seen a WR solve a hands problem. That dates to Willis Adams from the 1980 draft.

The closest I have seen anyone come to this is Jerry Rice. Who, after his rookie season, was known for bobbling the ball a little bit.

Guys have overcome it. Problem is that its usually overcome in college or worst case 1st offseason. He has had a ton of time to work on it, but he didn't. MVS was picking the small brain of Randy Moss, Tonyan was working with Kittles. Moore looks the part, but he didn't fix his problem. He should be all alone in a backyard with a juggs machine hand catching the football at 11pm right now.