OK, who wants Minkah Fitzpatrick?

[bobblehead]

1) Hell no you don't give up King. King is uber talented in his own right and even though injury prone I don't want to give him up if I can give a 2nd instead.

2) If a 2nd is actually the ask, then make the deal asap. Throw in a 6th to seal it if you have to.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I'd like to see the Vikings send a pick to grab this dude. Not likely but we'll see how it plays out. It's like the Sixers only in football with the Fins....

3 teams deal!

Queens get: The FitzMagic

Packers get: Hiphop safety Harrison Smith

Fins get: Packers 2nd and Sloth Allison

[smuggler]

Who else? Many teams, which will price him out of our budget, I think.

[bobblehead]

This is so easy in my book. We aren't talking about trading for an old and headache Randy Moss, a past his prime Tony Gonzalez. Its not like trading for a cancerous heavily paid Antonio Brown. Its not even like giving up TWO firsts and maybe a bit more (plus a monster contract) to get K Mack.

We are talking about a 2nd year #11 overall pick with several years left on his deal. Uber talented, underpaid (dolphins eat the signing bonus), decent guy who simply wants out of the shit show Miami has become. Several players have asked out of Miami recently, so I don't think he is a problem child here.

Honestly, he is worth our 1st. No way in hell we get a better player where we are likely to pick this year. No way we get said player with the signing bonus already paid. This is a total no Brainer. Ask what it takes to seal it on the phone right now. No leveraging our offer, right now. Then if its a 1st, or a 2nd and 4th make the deal. The team is better without a big cap hit. I can't see the downside unless you believe the kid is a cancer that we aren't seeing from the outside.

edit: This is for you Rand....if he gets traded for someones 2nd I KNOW I'm a better GM than Gutes

[Patler]

Something is strange in this story. If the kid is as talented at multiple positions as they say, is healthy without long term medical concerns, is not a headcase or problem child and is as committed to the game as they say; why is the team shopping him at the start of his second season? If he "proved" himself in his first season, why is he reportedly being offered for less than the team has invested in him, particularly with the dead money impact?

I don't care if the kid wants out, a second year player doesn't really have much power in the relationship; not yet; unless he is willing to put his career on hold and walk out. This would be an odd time to do it. It is even more odd for the team to give in to him this soon in his career, this early in the season, especially if there are others wanting out.

I'm not arguing that GB shouldn't look into the possibility of acquiring him. I just think there is more to the story than we know.

[bobblehead]

Something is strange in this story. If the kid is as talented at multiple positions as they say, is healthy without long term medical concerns, is not a headcase or problem child and is as committed to the game as they say; why is the team shopping him at the start of his second season? If he "proved" himself in his first season, why is he reportedly being offered for less than the team has invested in him, particularly with the dead money impact?

I don't care if the kid wants out, a second year player doesn't really have much power in the relationship; not yet; unless he is willing to put his career on hold and walk out. This would be an odd time to do it.

I'm not arguing that GB shouldn't look into the possibility of acquiring him. I just think there is more to the story than we know.

I get the instinct, but Miami players have been revolting for a bit now. They are in cataclysmic rebuild mode. They are losing and losing well. The new coach wants to purge all the roster of people who aren't happy there (it seems). I believe Fitz saw a chance to get out and jumped on it. Now...I don't think he is available for a 2nd. And teams hate trading their first (except NE...that should tell you something). He is a very good talent and player. I think its an easy call, but what do I know.

[bobblehead]

Think BPA. If we pick outside the top 20 are we likely to get a better player than this?

[pbmax]

Think BPA. If we pick outside the top 20 are we likely to get a better player than this?

Its a decent argument. If he were an ILB, I would endorse the first round pick. Only issue is that he plays a position they are relatively well stocked at.

Maybe he wants a chance to be a WR?

[gbgary]

i would trade king for him

i would also give up a second for him without king

maybe a 3rd or a 4th and king for him

yup

[MadScientist]

Something is strange in this story. If the kid is as talented at multiple positions as they say, is healthy without long term medical concerns, is not a headcase or problem child and is as committed to the game as they say; why is the team shopping him at the start of his second season? If he "proved" himself in his first season, why is he reportedly being offered for less than the team has invested in him, particularly with the dead money impact?

I don't care if the kid wants out, a second year player doesn't really have much power in the relationship; not yet; unless he is willing to put his career on hold and walk out. This would be an odd time to do it. It is even more odd for the team to give in to him this soon in his career, this early in the season, especially if there are others wanting out.

I'm not arguing that GB shouldn't look into the possibility of acquiring him. I just think there is more to the story than we know.

Miami is going full moneyball. By the time Minkah is ready for contract 2, the Fins won't be ready to compete. So trade him now for good future draft capital and they can get their whole team put together on first contracts and be ready to compete, with plenty of cap space to bring in FA's to fill any holes. They are fine with losing everything this year and maybe next. They still need to do well in the draft, but the overall strategy is sound.

[Patler]

I get the instinct, but Miami players have been revolting for a bit now. They are in cataclysmic rebuild mode. They are losing and losing well. The new coach wants to purge all the roster of people who aren't happy there (it seems). I believe Fitz saw a chance to get out and jumped on it. Now...I don't think he is available for a 2nd. And teams hate trading their first (except NE...that should tell you something). He is a very good talent and player. I think its an easy call, but what do I know.

Miami is going full moneyball. By the time Minkah is ready for contract 2, the Fins won't be ready to compete. So trade him now for good future draft capital and they can get their whole team put together on first contracts and be ready to compete, with plenty of cap space to bring in FA's to fill any holes. They are fine with losing everything this year and maybe next. They still need to do well in the draft, but the overall strategy is sound.

I get all that, but it doesn't comport with reports that they would trade him for a second round pick. That implies they are anxious to move him. He should be a de-risked player, because he proved last year that he can adapt to the nfl game. He should be worth more than he was worth last year.

[Patler]

Its a decent argument. If he were an ILB, I would endorse the first round pick. Only issue is that he plays a position they are relatively well stocked at.

Maybe he wants a chance to be a WR?

That's kind of where I'm at. If he expects to be a safety, he is less interesting to me.

[Patler]

As for the suggestion of trading King, I don't think that will happen. I saw LaFleur and McCarren discussing King's play last week, and LaFleur was very excited about how well King had played. He said the plan had been to limit King to about 20 plays, but he was playing so well they couldn't take him out, and he ended up playing over 40 plays. Said King was a big reason why they were able to do what they did on defense. McCarren said with King being out so much last year, it is easy to forget how very physical he is with WRs, but he showed it against the Bears..

[RashanGary]

As for the suggestion of trading King, I don't think that will happen. I saw LaFleur and McCarren discussing King's play last week, and LaFleur was very excited about how well King had played. He said the plan had been to limit King to about 20 plays, but he was playing so well they couldn't take him out, and he ended up playing over 40 plays. Said King was a big reason why they were able to do what they did on defense. McCarren said with King being out so much last year, it is easy to forget how very physical he is with WRs, but he showed it against the Bears..

I listened to Rodgers and Adams talk about the DBs earlier in the offseason too. The impression I got was that King was better than Alexander in their opinions.

[pbmax]

That's kind of where I'm at. If he expects to be a safety, he is less interesting to me.

I could not find it, but there was the suggestion made that Fitzpatrick was losing snaps to Patriot veterans. Which could mean he wasn’t the change to the complex Patriot defense well.

But Doug Farrar pointed out that he played at Alabama (similar D philosophy) and played a great many roles in those (good) defenses.

You can’t rule out he is a bad fit in a complex scheme or that he doesn’t want to play a SS role.

But the Packers and Pettine don’t play that defense and if he’s not going to be asked to be Jones (he isn’t as big) he could be a nice piece.